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#107277 - 12/26/06 02:41 AM Lesson 1 - Jan 07 Rise & Fall of Solomon - DISCUSSION, etc.
james423 Moderator Offline


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Here are some questions I might pose to my Sabbath School class in order to get discussion started:

1. In his early days, what did Solomon have going for him?

2. Where did Solomon go wrong?
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#108136 - 01/02/07 04:28 AM Re: Lesson 1 - Jan 07 Rise & Fall of Solomon - DISCUSSION, etc. [Re: james423]
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I am impressed by Solomon's humbleness. It seems there is a great respect to God and to his father, David. For so many of us the struggle with intellectual pride keeps us from finding true wisdom. Solomon understood that true wisdom must begin with a surrendered will to God.

I noticed how this story closely ties obediance to the relationship with God.

Solomon loved the Lord, walking in the statutes of David his father...

...if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk (1 Kings 3:3, 14)
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#108221 - 01/03/07 12:13 PM Re: Lesson 1 - Jan 07 Rise & Fall of Solomon - DISCUSSION, etc. [Re: Shane]
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You see a different Solomon than i do. As i see it, Solomon and humility are an oxymoron. After Solomon asked for the wisdom to rule the people, he assumed that it had been granted to him....and he could take it from there. If you want case studies in humility....look at Moses , or even David. Neither would even tie their shoes without talking to God. Maybe that's an exaggeration, but just for fun, count the times Solomon asked God's advice...then compare to how often Moses and David talked to Him. Whenever Moses instructed the people, it wasn't from his own wisdom....it was from a "thus saith the LORD." In the King James version..."Thus saith the LORD"...appears 414 times. None of which were spoken by Solomon.

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#108222 - 01/03/07 02:50 PM Re: Lesson 1 - Jan 07 Rise & Fall of Solomon - DISCUSSION, etc. [Re: Anonymous]
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Just wondering...was Solomon the SPIRITUAL leader of the Israelites, as Moses was? (Or was Moses not?)

It just seems to me that wisdom in leaders could be governmental, spiritual, or both.
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#108223 - 01/03/07 02:53 PM Re: Lesson 1 - Jan 07 Rise & Fall of Solomon - DISCUSSION, etc. [Re: Anonymous]
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You see a different Solomon than i do. As i see it, Solomon and humility are an oxymoron.


That depends at what stage you were looking at Solomon. As I read the bible, Solomon was originally humble. When God asked him what he wanted God to do, Solomon did not ask for silver and gold, only for the wisdom to be able to rule as God wanted him to rule.

Just read the prayer that he prayed at the dedication of the temple -- and that was AT LEAST 7 years after he had begun to reign.

It was a gradual decline in Solomon's walk with God that saw him change from a caring, wise king to an uncaring, dictator.
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#108228 - 01/03/07 04:09 PM Re: Lesson 1 - Jan 07 Rise & Fall of Solomon - DISCUSSION, etc. [Re: Anonymous]
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You see a different Solomon than i do. As i see it, Solomon and humility are an oxymoron.

Solomon was humble when he first came to the throne. His request to God for wisdom was, indeed, a humble request.

At the dedication of the temple (some 8 or so years later) he was still a humble king. Just read the prayer that he prayed.

His downward fall was so gradual that he did not realise how far he had fallen from God. But God was still there -- waiting for the moment when He could touch Solomon's heart, and bring him back to His heart.

It shows how careful we must be to always cling to our Saviour so that we, too, do not gradually lose that closeness to God.

Beryl
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#108231 - 01/03/07 04:53 PM Re: Lesson 1 - Jan 07 Rise & Fall of Solomon - DISCUSSION, etc. [Re: rudywoofs]
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Originally Posted By: rudywoofs
Just wondering...was Solomon the SPIRITUAL leader of the Israelites, as Moses was? (Or was Moses not?)


Great question...I think the burning bush experience, and his constant contact with God, definitely qualifies Moses as the spiritual leader. There is a big difference in a spiritual leader ordained by God, and an earthly king, demanded by men. Solomon was picked by God, But having an earthly king for the Israelites was not God's original plan. Asking for a king was probably the second most insulting rejection that Israel imposed on God. He hadn't forgotten it by the time Solomon was appointed. Allowing them to have their king was Divine Tough Love. True, God voluntarily promised Solomon great wealth, but that could be viewed as God giving him enough rope to hang himself. Did God know that the love of money is the root of all evil? God had to let them find for themselves (and demonstrate to anyone watching the story unfold) that anything less than Jesus for a King will never work.

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#108233 - 01/03/07 05:27 PM Re: Lesson 1 - Jan 07 Rise & Fall of Solomon - DISCUSSION, etc. [Re: Beryl]
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Originally Posted By: Beryl

Solomon was humble when he first came to the throne. His request to God for wisdom was, indeed, a humble request.


Some folks confuse humility with insecurity. I ask you to re-read the account of his request for wisdom. 2 Chronicles 1 9-12. When we ask for wisdom, then tell God the specific wisdom we want, we are suggesting that we already have the wisdom to know what to pray for. Solomon's request was very focused on giving him the tools to be a great leader....It might have been better to pray for a contrite heart...to be made an empty vessel, then God would have given him the knowledge to have better control of his personal affairs. (in addition to being a great leader)

It's always easier to analyze another persons problems. I am aware that i am not qualified to take Solomon's sandals off. The point is...this story is here to make a point to us... I think we are supposed to see the problems he had, in hopes that we might not make the same mistakes.

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#108267 - 01/04/07 02:06 AM Re: Lesson 1 - Jan 07 Rise & Fall of Solomon - DISCUSSION, etc. [Re: Anonymous]
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When we ask for wisdom, then tell God the specific wisdom we want, we are suggesting that we already have the wisdom to know what to pray for.


Well, God was so pleased with Solomon's request that GOD HIMSELF added all the other things. So, I am not about to criticise God for being pleased with Solomon's humility -- that of a child. Jesus told us to become as little children -- a child will take the word of a trusted person. I am trusting the Word of God.

God bless,

Beryl
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#108379 - 01/05/07 05:28 AM Re: Lesson 1 - Jan 07 Rise & Fall of Solomon - DISCUSSION, etc. [Re: Beryl]
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Compromise is what took Solomon from a humble child to a worldly king. Little by little compromise will take each of us away from God in the very same way if we let it. Today "strange women" is not as common as other temptations like worldly entertainment and luxery.
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