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#107963 - 12/31/06 10:44 PM Problems In The White Community ***
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  • Church attendance (53% Americans, 16% UK, 14% France, 13% Germany)
  • Pre-marital sex
  • Abortions
  • Homosexuality
  • Secular entertainment
  • Poor diet
  • Seditary lifestyle
  • Drunk driving
  • Domestic violence
  • Alcoholism


That's a start.
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#107965 - 12/31/06 10:53 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Shane]
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Why do you think poor church attendance is a problem? Maybe it just shows an accurate assessment of how useful attending church is!

Why do you think homosexuality is a problem? Is there any evidence at all that its incidence today is higher than in the past or in other groups today?

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#107971 - 12/31/06 11:52 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: bevin]
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Where two or three are gathered together in His name, there He is also. The "church" was in a very poor state during the time Christ was on earth and He set us an example by not avoiding it. Lack of church attendance allows the mind to wonder further from the things of God much easier.

While some studies have shown an increase in lesbianism over the past two decades, there is no evidence to show male homosexuality increasing. Of course the problem isn't the behavior which has always existed in the white community. The problem is the acceptance of the behavior. I am not saying we should go back to the days when gays were hated. Neither extreame is desirable. However a society with Christian love would treat homosexuals like it treats alcoholics - with love by helping them find freedom from the thorn in their flesh.

But here we have an example of "white denial". I list a few problems in the white community and a white man comes in and insists they are not problems.
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#107972 - 12/31/06 11:56 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Shane]
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Where is this example of a white person insisting they are not a problem.? I can't find that which you are referring to.
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#107976 - 01/01/07 12:05 AM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Redwood]
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It's an interesting logical tactic, that one, but very open to abuse. Say I add to your list 'liking classical music'. If someone (there are a number of confessed classical music addicts on this forum) says "I don't see that as a problem", is that also an example of white denial? It's pretty clear that 'problems' are things open to definition... and bevin's question was about definitions. I agree that most of those things are problems experienced by white people, but by no means exclusively so, so it's probably more sensible and defensible to say they are 'human problems'.
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#107978 - 01/01/07 12:11 AM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Bravus]
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Well, I don't know if there are any racial groups that have their own set of exclusive problems. However if someone where to say that listening to classical music was a problem with my racial group, rather than denying that it was, I would ask in what way is it a problem. Obviously if we are talking about a racial group that I belong to, I am going to want to understand another person's concern and not just flattly deny it. The question asked here was followed with its own answer and an explanation point.

If someone listening to classical music neglects family or Bible study because of the classical music, then yes, I would agree that is a problem. If it is commonplace within a specific racial group, then it would be a racial issue for that group.

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#107979 - 01/01/07 12:15 AM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Redwood]
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Where is this example of a white person insisting they are not a problem.?


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Why do you think poor church attendance is a problem? Maybe it just shows an accurate assessment of how useful attending church is!


I thought other posters would either add to my list of problems or discuss how the church or society might deal with the problems. Since they are such obvious problems, I didn't expect someone to actually deny they are problems.
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#107980 - 01/01/07 12:42 AM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Shane]
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Loc: CA
Just a comment.....recognizing that there are problems in a race, whether it is your own or someone else's doesn't make you racist. Every single race has problems, just as every country and every society has problems. If by that recognition you do not judge the society but endeavor to understand and help if you can, then I don't think that is racism.

Ya I know...this doesn't go with the last comment posted however, just my 2 cents.

Personally I simply can't understand racism in any form.

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#107985 - 01/01/07 01:48 AM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Taylor]
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I'm just wondering where the white community is...

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#107986 - 01/01/07 01:52 AM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: cricket]
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I'm not trying to be trite or simplistic: the only answer for human problems, and the subset of them that might be identified as 'white problems' is salvation. Look at that list, and recognise that true acceptance of Jesus and sanctification will solve each of them. Any other solutions are stop-gap.
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