I believe that Intelligent Design is as much science as Evolution.

I believe that secular society should be totally accepting of gays but that the Christian church has an obligation to tell the truth about its being sinful to practice homosexuality.

the church should be totally accepting of gay people in the sense of loving them as individuals who need salvation the same as everyone else, and they should always be made to feel welcome to worship with other Christians.

I believe that Intelligent Design is as much science as Evolution. The "facts" of science change over and over again over the years . So if you believed the "facts" of science of a few years ago ... they would now be thought of as fantasy. Their "facts" continue to change. And at least the creation science does not keep changing like the "facts" of "science".

Any obsessive-compulsive behavior is a problem as has the potential to interupt one's family life, work habits and religious devotion. If listening to classical music became an obsessive-compulsive behavior, like listening to other types of music have for some people, than it is a problem for that person.

The problem with secualr society is that they tell gays they cannot change. They tell gays they must live out the gay lifestyle.

Contrast that to how we treat alcoholics. Alcoholics are told their behavior is not acceptable and mental health provides have treatment centers for them.



I agree and for the most part that is how the church treats alcoholics.

So it seems the church is at one extreame and secular society is at the other extreame. Both, for the most part, treat alcoholics as they should be treated. In my opinion, gays should be treated the same way.

Thank you John 317 .

What you have said is so true.

My wife has gays in her family. They are such loving and fun people to be with. We love them. They have had it rough because of POOR treatment in the SDA church. But, they love the Lord. They just can't love the Lord in the church. What a shame.

WE need to love ALL sinners and like you say ... Hate ALL sin.

Thank you for what you posted.

It sounds like they received poor treatment in the church from private individuals rather than as a result of official decisions on the part of the church. Is that right?

Ignoring the debatable issues of church attendance and homosexuality, the rest of the problems can all be described as "poor choices".

The solution that many in the secular world are adopting towards these is a mixture of education and carrot and stick.

When I see Christian churches denigrating all three, it makes me realize just how glad I am that my money is not funding these churches.

Pre-marital sex. The best known solutions involve teaching kids what the actual benefits and risks are, acknowledging that teenagers have strong sexual drives, and recognizing that masturbation is a reasonable and guilt-free solution to those drives. Churches usually go the ignorance-and-guilt route.

Abortions. Birth-control is far cheaper and better. That is why the Catholic Church opposes it. That is why Protestant Christians are opposed to it being taught in schools.

Secular entertainment. Lets admit that some is good and some is bad. Same is true of Christian books and movies and songs.

Poor diet. Why is the SDA church still wasting its time on the irrelevant noise about vegian v vegetarian and coffee, rather than teaching a modern science-based pragmatic diet?

Drunk driving. Where is the strong Christian push for European-level drunk-driving penalties?

Domestic violence. Of course that never happens in christian homes, right... which is why the Christian churches teach male-dominance.

Alcoholism. Ditto - which is why many use alcoholic beverages for communion.


Lastly, I can not drop this topic without slamming the USA fundamentalist Christian churches for their anti-science stance.

No wonder Europeans are rejecting organised Christianity - it is a disgrace to its founder.

But more is involved here than evolution. I watch Christian churches denigrate medical research, teach stupid diet nonsense, fail to do the most rudimentary planning or research, and spend all their time on reiterating cliches without support and directly contradicted by actual evidence.

We would be back in the dark ages having ignorant priests telling us what to do.