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#108056 - 01/01/07 05:52 PM Re: Problems In The White Community *** [Re: bevin]
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Many of the problems in the white community in America are being addressed - but are problems nonetheless. These problems are not limitted to the white community but are problems they must deal with.

The emotional consequences of pre-marital sex are not often addressed in public school sex education classes. The danger of STDs is taught in many schools, but not all, and methods of birth control are also taught. The evangelicals that oppose teaching sex education in public school are in the minority of evangelicals. For the most part, evangelicals want abstanance to be taught in addition, not in leui of, the existing sex education programs.

The issue of abortion needs to be in the hands of the people, not the courts. Belgium and the Netherlands have been successful at reducing the number of abortions by discouraging and placing restrictions on it. Here are some worldwide stats.

There is way too much violance and sexual content in secular entertainment. Much of this should be forbidden for broadcast media - sattelite, cable or other. This hardcore programming should be available only on purchased media such as DVDs or downloading from the internet.

Big progress is being made in the area of diet. Supermarkets are now carrying much more high-fiber, low fat foods. Junk food is still an issue although some snack foods are even marketing low-fat, high fiber alternatives.

More needs to be done in America in regard to drunk-driving. Over three times as many Americans are killed at the hands of drunk drivers than were killed in the attacks of 9/11.

Much is being done in regard to domestic violence but access to family counseling needs to be greater. The stigma associated with family counseling needs to be changed too. Health insurance should cover a certain amount of family counseling.

Much progress has been made regarding alcoholism. Health insurance does need to provide for out-patiant treatment of alcoholism at least once every 15 or 20 years and many do.

Of course white society teaches evolution in high schools and colleges. The problem there is that it has been resistant to teaching the errors of the theory or presenting other theories such as intelligent design. However if church attendance was higher, society wouldn't be dependant on unbelieving scientists to teach them about orgins.

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#108060 - 01/01/07 06:16 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Shane]
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Originally Posted By: Shane
I shouldn't have listed just the word homosexuality by itself. To be clear, I should have listed, acceptance of homosexuality. As I stated before, I wouldn't want to go back to the days when white society was intolerant of gays.

However today, the problem in white society in regard to gays is their open acceptance of it. White society tells gays they cannot be helped and should live out the gay lifestyle. That is not helpful to the gay people. However that is how Satan wants us - to one extreame or the other.


I believe that secular society should be totally accepting of gays but that the Christian church has an obligation to tell the truth about its being sinful to practice homosexuality. The church should point gay people to Jesus Christ, who has the power to help all of us overcome all known sin in our lives. While condemning the sin of homosexuality, the church should be totally accepting of gay people in the sense of loving them as individuals who need salvation the same as everyone else, and they should always be made to feel welcome to worship with other Christians.
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#108061 - 01/01/07 06:23 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: John317]
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Thank you John 317 .

What you have said is so true.

My wife has gays in her family. They are such loving and fun people to be with. We love them. They have had it rough because of POOR treatment in the SDA church. But, they love the Lord. They just can't love the Lord in the church. What a shame.

WE need to love ALL sinners and like you say ... Hate ALL sin.

Thank you for what you posted.
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#108062 - 01/01/07 06:24 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Shane]
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Many of the problems in the white community in America are being addressed - but are problems nonetheless. These problems are not limitted to the white community but are problems they must deal with.


Okay - so there was no need to use the word 'white' in the title. These are problems with most subsets of American society.

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The emotional consequences of pre-marital sex are not often addressed in public school sex education classes.


Strongly agree - it is an area where I have spent quality-time with my children.

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The issue of abortion needs to be in the hands of the people, not the courts.


Strongly agree - and that is the way it is today. People get to decide whether they personally want abortions or not. The courts are not stopping people from getting safe abortions.

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There is way too much violance and sexual content in secular entertainment. Much of this should be forbidden for broadcast media - sattelite, cable or other. This hardcore programming should be available only on purchased media such as DVDs or downloading from the internet.


Education - parents need to be educated to control what their children watch on TV.

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Big progress is being made in the area of diet. Supermarkets are now carrying much more high-fiber, low fat foods.


Yes, the combination of scientists and health care activists are having an effect purely through education - no coercion required.

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More needs to be done in America in regard to drunk-driving.


A simple change in the penal code will suffice.

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Much is being done in regard to domestic violence but access to family counseling needs to be greater. The stigma associated with family counseling needs to be changed too.


Counseling is an adult bandaid for a childhood education problem. Better funded education would stop more problems before they became expensive.

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Health insurance should cover a certain amount of family counseling.


Here is a HUGE mistake in the American approach - health care coverage should have NOTHING to do with EMPLOYMENT! Universal health care concentrating on prevention would be cheaper and more effective.

Today the USA spends far more per person on health care than any other country - and by most measures is not even in the top 10 on availability and quality of care.

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Much progress has been made regarding alcoholism.


And, in my ambulance, I see exactly how much further we have to go.

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Of course white society teaches evolution in high schools and colleges. The problem there is that it has been resistant to teaching the errors of the theory or presenting other theories such as intelligent design.


High schools and college science classes teach science. Science is observation, hypothesis, prediction, experimentation, verification.

The fact that many Christian's don't even know what science is is a indictment both the USA education system and of many of the Christian churches.

The courts have correctly ruled that Intelligent Design, as currently formulated, is not science. It does not do the above steps.

But more is involved here than evolution. I watch Christian churches denigrate medical research, teach stupid diet nonsense, fail to do the most rudimentary planning or research, and spend all their time on reiterating cliches without support and directly contradicted by actual evidence.

I also watch the salaries teachers get, and the training they get, and the processes they use. The high-school education system in the USA has huge problems, and the populace as a whole does not appear to want to fix it.

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However if church attendance was higher, society wouldn't be dependant on unbelieving scientists to teach them about orgins.


Correct. We would be back in the dark ages having ignorant priests telling us what to do.

If Christian Churches started to use brains and to address people's needs, attendance would go up.

/Bevin

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#108063 - 01/01/07 06:25 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Redwood]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
I wish the Homosexuals didn't talk about it so much. I don't care to hear what someones sexual preference is.

As a heterosexual ... I don't go around advertising it. And I don't care to hear others advertising what they do in the privacy of their bedroom.

I really don't care if you are Black, Red or Green. And I don't care if you are Homosexual or Heterosexual. (God cares but I don't want to hear about it or judge it.)

Let's just all be happy with each other. Respect each other. Give Christian Love to each other.

We can let God do the judging and we can let GOD work out the changes in people's lives.




Actually I feel the same way you do. The only reason I write about it on these threads sometimes is that it is part of the subject or maybe someone asks a question about it or makes a statement that calls for some sort of response. If I thought for a moment that I was disturbing anyone, I wouldn't say anything.
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#108064 - 01/01/07 06:30 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: John317]
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I apologize to you John 317 ... I did not mean that ANY thing you have said was disturbing to me. The only thing that disturbs me is the Gays pushing and advertising their sexual preference.

I don't go to parades advertising and pushing MY sexual preference and I don't appreciate others pushing PUBLICALLY what they do in the privacy of their bedroom.
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#108066 - 01/01/07 06:37 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Redwood]
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Bevin ... Regarding "The courts have correctly ruled that Intelligent Design, as currently formulated, is not science. It does not do the above steps."

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I believe that Intelligent Design is as much science as Evolution. The "facts" of science change over and over again over the years . So if you believed the "facts" of science of a few years ago ... they would now be thought of as fantasy. Their "facts" continue to change. And at least the creation science does not keep changing like the "facts" of "science".
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#108070 - 01/01/07 07:19 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Shane]
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Originally Posted By: Shane
Well, I don't know if there are any racial groups that have their own set of exclusive problems. However if someone where to say that listening to classical music was a problem with my racial group, rather than denying that it was, I would ask in what way is it a problem...If someone listening to classical music neglects family or Bible study because of the classical music, then yes, I would agree that is a problem. If it is commonplace within a specific racial group, then it would be a racial issue for that group.


I fail to see how listening to classical music per se could be a problem. Would someone care to explain that one?

Are they talking about the operas such as those by Richard Wagner or like Madam Butterfly? Also, is a distinction made between Classical and Baroque and Romantic or is it all lumped together as "Classical"?
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#108071 - 01/01/07 07:25 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: John317]
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I fail to see how listening to classical music per se could be a problem. Would someone care to explain that one?


Any obsessive-compulsive behavior is a problem as has the potential to interupt one's family life, work habits and religious devotion. If listening to classical music became an obsessive-compulsive behavior, like listening to other types of music have for some people, than it is a problem for that person.
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#108074 - 01/01/07 07:28 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Redwood]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
I apologize to you John 317...


It's OK. There was nothing wrong with what you said. It's just that I misunderstood.
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