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A better compromise may have been to allow him to speak at Village church. It was probally wise not to let him speak at the univeristy. With the Adventist fundamentalists and conservative alumni the university really had nothing to gain by allowing that.

That said, if Dr. Numbers were willing to debate one of Andrews science professors, that is something that the university may be more open to happening on campus.

I spoke to a professor who attended Ron's lecture at this nonSDA church a few weeks ago . He felt that Ron didn't say anything controversial. He felt there was no reason that he couldn't have held the lecture on creationism at Andrews .

Don't classify all AU alumni in one box! I happily claim AU as my alma mater and I'm conservative only in my fundamental SDA beliefs [which do not include being afraid of new ideas].

In fact, the university students should definitely be exposed to varieties of thought on every topic. That's the age at which they begin to form their own belief system, leaving the nest of their parents and beginning to try their own wings. For many students, their individual belief system becomes stronger than that of their parents. For others, theirs becomes a larger view -- i.e., e.g., understanding that sin began in heaven, not in Eden.

We cannot expect to control our children after they become adults. They must of necessity learn to think for themselves, or we'll end up with a community of invalids.

Remember, even God lost a third of His unfallen angels. They chose to follow Lucifer. We cannot, must not, try to control the thinking of our university students except as we expose them to the beliefs we hold dear and warn them against predators. (And those teachings should have been started when they were toddlers, continuing on throughout their adolescence.)

Thanks, Bravus.

Will do.

I suspect there is liberal, moderate and conservtive alumni. I was only making a point that the conservative alumni would have a problem with it. And of course, those that would make the biggest fuss are the ones that wouldn't have attended and would be completely uninformed about what was said.

I do believe we ought to teach what to think instead of how to think. From what I read, Dr. Numbers seems like exactly the type of person that could particiapte in a debate or discussion about orgins without turning it into a dog fight. I would think our universities could find a way of inviting him to our campuses without too much controversy but the conservative element of the church needs to be considered.

Did you really mean that, or is it a typo?

/Bevin

Looks like I got that reversed.

In the issue of creationism, public schools in the US teach kids what to think and not how to think. That could change with philosophy of science classes. Christian schools are probbally just as guilty of this as well.

Glad you corrected that Shane I was beginning to wonder about you.

Very interesting.