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#109266 - 01/14/07 05:19 AM Re: Problems In The White Community *** [Re: John317]
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Originally Posted By: John317


People who work as guards at schools where there is a history of racial violence. I saw this statement quoted only a short while back in a newspaper by one supervisor of guards at a high school in Riverside County. I have also found that it coincides with my personal experience of 20 years working in an institution where we deal with youth of various races that often get into confrontations with each other. I am the father of two hispanic girls and my oldest, age 18, who just graduated from high school, also says that the blacks and hispanic kids at her school confront one another all the time before reporting incidents, whereas white kids are more likely to report things without first confronting.


Are you seriously basing your bold assertions about over 50 million black and hispanic people on......

some people who work as guards in some schools.

A quote by one supervisor in one school
your personal experiece
your girls.

come on!
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#109268 - 01/14/07 05:22 AM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: lazarus]
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Originally Posted By: lazarus

There are a number of links for this study...


Children's Hospital between 1994 and 2000. PHILADELPHIA --

Minority children are more likely to be evaluated for physical abuse and reported to authorities than white children with comparable injuries, say researchers who studied hospital records at an urban pediatric hospital. Researchers at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia found that African-American and Latino toddlers with accidental injuries were over five times more likely than Caucasian toddlers to receive a skeletal survey, an examination ordered when a physician suspects abuse.


OK, I find that interesting. I didn't know.

Did I tell you that I have reported two incidents? One was against my own brother, who I heard through reliable sources was sexually molesting his daughter. (He's adopted, by the way.) She had told her boy friend that her father was molesting her at night, and the boy friend told an Adventist evangelist. When I found out, I called the authorities in the state where he lives. My brother's daughter lied to the state investigators and said nothing happened. My adopted brother's real brother was also molesting his own daughter and he told me after he pled guilty to child moltestation that while he was staying in my adopted brother's house, he saw my brother molesting his daughter. My brother also had shown sexual interest in my sister as well as in me while I was growing up.

Then a few years ago, I reported the Mexican husband of a friend of my wife's who was physically abusing his son and daughter. He had been arrested once before for doing the same thing, and I found out that he had put feces in his daughters hair and had spanked her with a large wooden spoon. He ended up doing over a year in jail for that offence, and he is actually doing a lot better now as a result of that punishment. To this day he and she do not know who turned him in, and of course I am not going to tell them.


Edited by John317 (01/14/07 05:27 AM)
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#109269 - 01/14/07 05:27 AM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: lazarus]
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Originally Posted By: lazarus
Originally Posted By: John317


People who work as guards at schools where there is a history of racial violence. I saw this statement quoted only a short while back in a newspaper by one supervisor of guards at a high school in Riverside County. I have also found that it coincides with my personal experience of 20 years working in an institution where we deal with youth of various races that often get into confrontations with each other. I am the father of two hispanic girls and my oldest, age 18, who just graduated from high school, also says that the blacks and hispanic kids at her school confront one another all the time before reporting incidents, whereas white kids are more likely to report things without first confronting.


Are you seriously basing your bold assertions about over 50 million black and hispanic people on......

some people who work as guards in some schools.

A quote by one supervisor in one school
your personal experiece
your girls.

come on!


Personal experiences are the best. Other stats can be very misleading and incorrect. When it happens to you ... you can know it is true.
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#109271 - 01/14/07 05:35 AM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: lazarus]
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Originally Posted By: lazarus
Originally Posted By: John317


People who work as guards at schools where there is a history of racial violence. I saw this statement quoted only a short while back in a newspaper by one supervisor of guards at a high school in Riverside County. I have also found that it coincides with my personal experience of 20 years working in an institution where we deal with youth of various races that often get into confrontations with each other. I am the father of two hispanic girls and my oldest, age 18, who just graduated from high school, also says that the blacks and hispanic kids at her school confront one another all the time before reporting incidents, whereas white kids are more likely to report things without first confronting.


Are you seriously basing your bold assertions about over 50 million black and hispanic people on......

some people who work as guards in some schools.

A quote by one supervisor in one school
your personal experiece
your girls.

come on!


Yes. I cannot deny my own 20 years of experience. What am I supposed to do-- tell myself that I am imagining things? Are you going to deny that hispanics and blacks trust the police and authorities less than whites? I watch the reaction of blacks and hispanics and whites on a daily basis. I don't need to await the results of some study to tell me what I am seeing. I make my living being able to predict reactions of these boys. I see it constantly, every day. I know which boys are likely to get into it without coming to staff first and which ones wouldn't ever come to report anything to staff but would get it on right then and there.


Edited by John317 (01/14/07 05:38 AM)
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#109283 - 01/14/07 06:32 AM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: lazarus]
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OK, Laz, you asked for this: (please don't take offense here; I don't mean it personally) I am not defending whites for starting wars


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Oh but you are!


I think you are mistaking explanation for a defense. I am explaining why whites started WWs and blacks did not. I am saying it is not because one race is better than another but rather that whites were able to and blacks were not. I am saying that blacks are not better because they have never started a WW. The fact is that wars amongst blacks are just as evil as white wars. The only real difference is that blacks did not have the know-how to kill as many as the technology of the whites made it possible for them to kill. Whites living today are no worse than whites of ancient times. They have more powerful weaponry and that is the reason they have killed many more in the 20th century than they did centuries before. That is my argument.

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but look at it this way: blacks have not produced any great generals or great scientists or great weapons with which to fight a World War. Nor does Africa have any national causes that could start a WW. So the reason blacks have not started a World War is not for want of trying but for want of opportunity and technological capability. Blacks couldn't start a WW. Africa has been involved in tribes slaughtering each other since about the beginning of time but they just can't successfully attack anyone beyond their own continent. Also, when Africans fight and kill each other, no one really cares or hears of it or takes it seriously. After all, the weapons they use are all obsolete and ancient except for those they get from white people.


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I guess Germans can take comfort in the fact they were able to be so efficient in killing so many Jews. Those Africans are so backward that they could have only killed about 2,000. We did 6 million! Oh and they didn't have th technology to gas them and torture them the way we did. They would have only managed to do it with spears!


No one that I know is taking comfort in those things. I am glad they brought the criminals who did that to judgment and they got what they deserved.

My close friend, Ron, went to the concentration camps of Poland recently and took these excellent pictures there. The link includes many other great photographs made by my friend. http://homepage.mac.com/ronaldrobertgrantham/PhotoAlbum1.html / We have been friends since 1971. These pictures made at the concentration camps reveal only a fraction of the true horror of those places. (Be sure to click on them to enlarge.)

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I guess wiping out 100,000 Japanese in seconds. It would have taken Africans years to kill so many Japanese if they could kill any at all.


Question: Do you think that African Hutus would have killed more Tutsis in 1994 if they had had more powerful weaponry or technological ability? As it was all they had were spears and baseball bats and rifles. Was it because they were any better morally than whites that they didn't kill more or was it because they couldn't kill any more?

When it comes to the 100,000 killed in Japan, would you have wanted a million or more Japanese killed, plus a million Americans killed? That is what would have happened had the United States not dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As bad as the bomb was, since it was dropped over 2 million people lived that would otherwise have been killed. Also you have to consider the whole Pacific war, not just a few minutes of it. If you look at what the Japanese did to the Chinese and Koreans and to the British, Australians and Americans, 100,000 people killed in Japan was only like a handful compared to the number the Japanese killed.
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By the way, do you think whites have an obligation to go to the rescue of Africans when they fight and enslave each other and are dying of AIDS? Why does Africa have so many profound and seemingly unsolvable problems? Can't Africans take care of their own problems?


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Of course there is no obligation. Its clear that we just find it so hard to talk about the white community without pointing out the negative aspects of the black community. Its like a reflex action. Perhaps its a defense mechanism. Maybe it a cultural aspect of white society, theres always some group that worse than us. Its the attitude that just won't die.......like this thread I suppose!


Actually I am trying to understand these things from your perspective. But you are right, this is probably not the right thread to discuss the problems of Africa and Haiti, etc. (I have a daughter who went a few years ago on a mission to teach the poor of the Dominican Republic about health and the gospel of Christ.)

All races have problems, including whites, of course, and I have pointed out some of those problems that I believe exist in the white community. The challanges in the white community are not as desperate as those in the black community, nor do they stand out as obviously. That is my opinion after watching a lot of discussions among black thought-leaders, reading a lot of books on the subject, and walking down a lot of American streets in black neighborhoods.

But for myself, I would much rather start concentrating now on the good things that I find in both the black and the white communities, and there are many. The good in my mind far outweighs the negative in both communities.


Edited by John317 (01/14/07 06:55 AM)
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#109304 - 01/14/07 02:35 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Redwood]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
[quote=lazarus][quote=John317]


Personal experiences are the best. Other stats can be very misleading and incorrect. When it happens to you ... you can know it is true.


Amen
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#109305 - 01/14/07 02:36 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: John317]
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[quote=John317]
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All races have problems, including whites, of course, and I have pointed out some of those problems that I believe exist in the white community. The challanges in the white community are not as desperate as those in the black community, nor do they stand out as obviously. That is my opinion after watching a lot of discussions among black thought-leaders, reading a lot of books on the subject, and walking down a lot of American streets in black neighborhoods.

But for myself, I would much rather start concentrating now on the good things that I find in both the black and the white communities, and there are many. The good in my mind far outweighs the negative in both communities.


And, Amen!
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#109320 - 01/14/07 05:46 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Redwood]
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#109328 - 01/14/07 08:27 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: Kountzer]
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Originally Posted By: D_Bishop
the thread that just won't die...


U just can't resist posting can you!
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#109331 - 01/14/07 08:48 PM Re: Problems In The White Community [Re: lazarus]
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Regarding "the thread that just won't die... "

And as long as there are race problems and challenges ... this thread should NOT die.
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