I think the kids were just thanking God for the snow in the best way they knew how- by appreciating it in the company of their friends

Seems to me they were getting a blessing...

The result of the "meeting" was that we came to the conclusion that the kids need to have more RECREATIONAL activities on Sabbath. The emphasis was on the parents responsibilty to cater for the need of kids and make it special for them. sabbath should not be about don't but about do's.

The kids had alot of ideas about what they could do to make the Sabbath more enjoyable. Somebody made note of their ideas.

The elder in question is a good guy. He young and passsionate about what he believes. He's quite progressive in many other areas of church life.

Some parents got a bit of a shock when I said I went bike riding on Sabbath and went swimming on Sabbath too!



My church has had a year on year decline in attendence of the past 15 years! The have sped alot of energy over the years fighting about stuff. Thats why they haven't grown. In the last 7 months, since I've been there, we've been trying to refocus the church's energies.

Now that is way over the line. Wading up to the knees only.

*tacking on

Personally I think Jesus would have gone sledding with the kids on the Sabbath and given the naysayers/judgementalists the stink eye. Oh yes, Jesus was very capable of giving the stink eye. LOL

Well, in your post: #112989 - Mon Feb 19 2007 10:26 PM I think your judgment on Lazarus' congregation would give us an example. I am talking tho of the situation I refered to in my last post in particular. Some people get very defensive and over-bearing when their "sabbath principles" are questioned. If you are being defensive; then "loftily" would be a judgment - but a righteous judgment, according to John 7.

Of course, "loftily" "defensive" and "righteousness" as I have used them in this post are judgments; but perhaps more accurately, they are my personal perceptions.

I have had someone yell at me right in front of others at Church because my "Sabbath principles" were not the same as his. What "judgement" would you attach to this person who did this to me Ed? Wondering if someone is "possibly" judgmental because they have been hurt, abused, and embarrassed is not the best approach at all.

It is interesting to note too that I can name a list of people who have been very over-bearing in their sabbath "defense," that have slowly, one by one, quit going to church. That tells it's own story, and there's not much judgment involved.

That all being said; I can thank the Lord for the Sabbath; it is truly a delight. "My own pleasure" is often to read the Bible for hours; but I also take great "delight" in what the rest of my family "delights" in. Sabbath has been a very effective "glue" for us.

No time for sleeping on our Sabbaths!

I agree 100%! But you really got me...what is "the stink eye?" I have never heard that one before.

two points

1) I did not express a judgment, I asked a question.

2) "I have had someone yell at me right in front of others at Church because my "Sabbath principles" were not the same as his."

In my experience, lots of fights are started because of displacement, of confusing one person with another. Your beef is with that person, not with me. I don't think you'll find anything in that post that was the least aggressive toward you or anyone else.

Or why would any teen, learning to think and evaluate for themselves, want to stay???

And blessings and more power to you Lazarus as you continue down this path.

Amen Nan! I second that heartily!