#123267 - 04/29/07 04:06 AM
Re: Apples of Gold
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Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same
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Have you ever read that book, A Shepherd Looks at the 23rd Psalm? I forget the author's name, Philip somebody... It's been around for years
What an interesting book! He tells why it was so important for the sheep to have green pastures and still waters in their lives.
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#123274 - 04/29/07 04:27 AM
Re: Apples of Gold
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Philip Keller has written the book "A Shepherd Looks at the Twenty-Third Psalm." His thesis is that the psalm is written from the perspective of a sheep bragging about his shepherd across a fence to another sheep with a different owner.
So, when we read, "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want," the emphasis could be "the Lord is MY shepherd." Of course, we could have a discussion of each of the words in that opening line. - from a pastor's blog at http://www.fccofcc.com/blogs/day_blogs.cfm?d=10&m=9&y=2006
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#123445 - 04/30/07 03:44 AM
Re: Apples of Gold
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Love never gives up. Love cares more for others than for itself. Love doesn't want what it doesn't have. Love doesn't strut, Doesn't have a swelled head, Doesn't force itself on others, Isn't always "me first," Doesn't fly off the handle, Doesn't keep score of the sins of others, Doesn't revel when others grovel, Takes pleasure in the flowering of truth, Puts up with anything, Trusts God always, Always looks for the best, Never looks back, But keeps going to the end. Love never dies.
-I Corinthians 13, Peterson's 'The Message'
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#124017 - 05/04/07 07:45 PM
Re: Apples of Gold
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We tearme sleepe a death, and yet it is waking that kils us, and destroyes those spirits that are the house of life. Tis indeed a part of life that best expresseth death, for every man truely lives so long as hee acts his nature, or someway makes good the faculties of himselfe: Themistocles therefore that slew his Souldier in his sleepe was a mercifull executioner, 'tis a kinde of punishment the mildnesse of no lawes hath invented;.... It is that death by which we may be literally said to die daily, a death which Adam died before his mortality; a death whereby we live a middle and moderating point betweene life and death; in fine, so like death, I dare not trust it without my prayers, and an halfe adiew unto the world, and take my farewell in a Colloquy with God. - Sir Thomas Browne, Religo Medici (1643), Section 13.
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#124263 - 05/06/07 01:33 AM
Re: Apples of Gold
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"In a shoe box stuffed in an old nylon stocking Sleeps the baby mouse I found in the meadow, Where he trembled and shook beneath a stick Till I caught him up by the tail and brought him in, Cradled in my hand, A little quaker, the whole body of him trembling, His absurd whiskers sticking out like a cartoon-mouse, His feet like small leaves, Little lizard-feet, Whitish and spread wide when he tried to struggle away, Wriggling like a miniscule puppy.
Now he's eaten his three kinds of cheese and drunk from his bottle-cap watering-trough- So much he just lies in one corner, His tail curled under him, his belly big As his head; his bat-like ears Twitching, tilting toward the least sound.
Do I imagine he no longer trembles When I come close to him? He seems no longer to tremble." - from 'The Meadow Mouse' by Theodore Roethke
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#124672 - 05/08/07 03:33 PM
Re: Apples of Gold
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A Psalm of the Sons of Korah
A white-tailed deer drinks from the creek; I want to drink God, deep draughts of God. I'm thirsty for God-alive. I wonder, "Will I ever make it— arrive and drink in God's presence?" I'm on a diet of tears— tears for breakfast, tears for supper. All day long people knock at my door, Pestering, "Where is this God of yours?"
These are the things I go over and over, emptying out the pockets of my life. I was always at the head of the worshiping crowd, right out in front, Leading them all, eager to arrive and worship, Shouting praises, singing thanksgiving— celebrating, all of us, God's feast! - Psalm 42:1-4, The Message, (MSG)
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#124748 - 05/08/07 10:59 PM
Re: Apples of Gold
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"A noiseless patient spider, I marked where on a little promontory it stood isolated, Marked how to explore the vacant vast surrounding, It launched forth filament, filament, filament out of itself, Ever unreeling them, ever tirelessly speeding them. And you O my soul where you stand, Surrounded, detached, in measureless oceans of space, Ceaselessly musing, venturing, throwing, seeking the spheres to connect them, Till the bridge you will need be formed, till the ductile anchor hold, Till the gossamer thread you fling catch somewhere, O my soul." - Walt Whitman (1819 - 1892)
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#124937 - 05/10/07 03:33 PM
Re: Apples of Gold
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called 'night'. And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas."
And God saw that it was good." - Genesis 1:1-10 (NIV)
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#125026 - 05/11/07 03:52 AM
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At first was neither Being nor Nonbeing. There was not air nor yet sky beyond. What was its wrapping? Where? In whose protection? Was Water there, unfathomable and deep?
There was no death then, nor yet deathlessness; of night or day there was not any sign. The One breathed without breath, by its own impulse. Other than that was nothing else at all.
Darkness was there, all wrapped around by darkness, and all was Water indiscriminate. Then that which was hidden by the Void, that One, emerging, stirring, through power of Ardor, came to be.
In the beginning Love arose, which was the primal germ cell of the mind. -The Hymn of the Origins, Rig Veda X. 129
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#125029 - 05/11/07 04:37 AM
Re: Apples of Gold
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stumbling to the cross
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Ahhh. Another pagan verse... I like these too much.. I best stick to the Bible. 
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#125058 - 05/11/07 02:39 PM
Re: Apples of Gold
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"But I say to all Of you who will listen to me: 'Love your enemies,' 'Do good to those who hate you,' 'Bless those who curse you,' 'And pray for those who treat you badly.'
As for the man who hits you On one cheek Offer him the other one as well! And if a man is taking away your coat, Do not stop him from taking your shirt as well.
Give to everyone who asks you, And when a man has taken what belongs to you, Don't demand it back. Treat men exactly as you would Like them to treat you.
If you love only those who love you, What credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them! And if you do good only to those who do good to you, What credit is that to you? Even sinners do that.
And if you lend only to those from whom You hope to get your money back, What credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners And expect to get their money back.
NO, you are to love your enemies And do good and lend without hope of return.
Your reward will be wonderful And you will be sons of the most high. For he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked!" - Luke 6: 27-35, The New Testament in Modern English, J. B. Phillips
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#125140 - 05/12/07 01:28 AM
Re: Apples of Gold
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"'Love your enemies!' Mark you, not simply those who happen not to be your friends, but your enemies, your positive and active enemies. Either this is a mere Oriental hyperbole, a bit of verbal extravagance, meaning only that we should, as far as we can, abate our animosities, or else it is sincere and literal. Outside of certain cases of intimate individual relation, it seldom has been taken literally. Yet it makes one ask the question: Can there in general be a level of emotion so unifying, so obliterative of differences between man and man, that even enmity may come to be an irrelevant circumstance and fail to inhibit the friendlier interests aroused? If positive well-wishing could attain so supreme a degree of excitement, those who were swayed by it might well seem superhuman beings. Their life would be morally discrete from the life of other men, and there is no saying, in the absence of positive experience of an authentic kind,..., - what the effects might be: they might conceivably transform the world." - William James, The Varieties of Religious Experience
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#125259 - 05/12/07 08:05 PM
Re: Apples of Gold
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Well, that's what the new birth is supposed to do- actually make it happen
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#125346 - 05/13/07 04:32 PM
Re: Apples of Gold
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"... the faith that affected my life, the only real faith I had, was faith in perfection. But I could not have said what perfection consisted of or what its purpose might be. I tried to achieve intellectual perfection; I studied everything I could, everything that life gave me a chance to study. I tried to perfect my will and set up rules for myself that I endeavored to follow. I strove for physical perfection by doing all the exercies that develop strength and agility and by undergoing all the hardships that discipline the self in endurance and perseverance. I took all this to be perfection. The starting point of it all was, of course moral perfection, but this was soon replaced by a belief in overall perfection, that is a desire to be better in the eyes of other people. And this effort to be better in the eyes of other people was very quickly displaced by a longing to be stronger than other people, that is, more renowned, more important, wealthier than others." - Leo Tolstoy, A Confession
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#125664 - 05/16/07 03:54 PM
Re: Apples of Gold
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"When I do something wrong I tend to alibi, to make excuses, blame someone else. Until I can accept whatever it is that I have done, I am only widening the gap between my real and my ontological self, and I am thus excluding myself so that I begin to think that I am unforgiveable.
We need to be forgiven:
To be forgiven in this time when the fish are dying in our rivers; in this time of poison gas dumped on the ocean floor and in the less and less breathable air of our cities, of children starving; being burned to death in wars which stumble on; being attacked by rats in their cribs...
I heard a man of brilliance cry out that God has withdrawn from nations when they have turned from Him, and surely we are stiff-necked people; why should He not withdraw?
But then I remember Jonah accusing God of overlenience, of foolishness, mercy, and compassion.
We desperately need the foolishness of God." - Madeleine L'Engle (1918- ), from her autobiography, A Circle of Quiet
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#125796 - 05/17/07 02:35 PM
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"...Peter went up to the flat roof to pray. It was about noon, and he was hungry. But while lunch was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw the sky open, and something like a large sheet was let down by its four corners. In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. Then a voice said to him, 'Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.' 'Never, Lord,' Peter declared. 'I have never in all my life eaten anything forbidden by our Jewish laws.' The voice spoke again, 'If God says something is acceptable, don't say it isn't.' The same vision was repeated three times and then the sheet was pulled up to heaven....
....Peter told them. 'You know it is against the Jewish laws for me to come into a Gentile home like this. But God has shown me that I should never think of anyone as impure. So I came as soon as I was sent for....'
.... 'I see very clearly that God doesn't show partiality. In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right.'" - from Saint Luke's account of the Acts of the Apostles, chapter 10,(NLT)
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#125865 - 05/18/07 03:15 AM
Re: Apples of Gold
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It was about 1874 that Sri Ramakrishna interested himself actively in Christianity.... One day, while Sri Ramakrishna was seated in the drawing room of another devotee's home, he saw a picture of the Madonna and Child. Absorbed in contemplation of this picture, he saw it suddenly become living and effulgent. An ecstatic love for Christ filled Sri Ramakrishna's heart, and a vision came to him of a Christian church in which devotees were burning incense and lighting candles before Jesus. For three days Sri Ramakrishna lived under the spell of this experience. On the fourth day, while he was walking in a grove at Dakshineswar, he saw a person of serene countenance approaching with his gaze fixed on him. From the inmost recesses of Sri Ramakrishna's heart came the realization, "This is Jesus, who poured out his heart's blood for the redemption of mankind. This is none other than Christ, the embodiment of love." The Son of Man then embraced Sri Ramakrishna.... Thus was Sri Ramakrishna convinced of Christ's divinity. - - Swami Prabhavananda, The Sermon on the Mount According to Vedanta, (1963)
Jesus said, ...""I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel." Saint Luke's Gospel 7:9 (NIV)
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#126131 - 05/19/07 04:10 PM
Re: Apples of Gold
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OF BEING
I know this happiness is provisional:
.........the looming presences- .........great suffering, great fear-
.........withdraw only .........into peripheral vision:
but ineluctable this shimmering of wind in the blue leaves:
this flood of stillness widening the lake of sky:
this need to dance, this need to kneel:
......................this mystery:
PRIMARY WONDER
Days pass when I forget the mystery. Problems insoluble and problems offering their own ignored solutions jostle for my attention, they crowd its antechamber along with a host of diversions, my courtiers, wearing their colored clothes; cap and bells.
once more the quiet mystery is present to me, the throng's clamor recedes: the mystery that there is anything, anything at all, let alone cosmos, joy, memory, everything, rather than void: and that, O Lord, Creator, Hallowed One, You still, hour by hour sustain it.
-Denise Levertov (1923-1997)
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#126479 - 05/22/07 04:35 PM
Re: Apples of Gold
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"Because of Christ and our faith in him, we can now come fearlessly into God's presence, assured of his glad welcome." St. Paul to the Ephesians, 3:12. (NLT)
"Without wavering, let us hold tightly to the hope we say we have, for God can be trusted to keep his promise.... Do not throw away this confident trust in the Lord, no matter what happens....
We have faith that assures our salvation. What is Faith? It is the confident assurance that what we hope for is going to happen. It is the evidence of things we cannot yet see....
So take a new grip with your tired hands and stand firm on your shaky legs. Mark out a straight path for your feet then those who follow you, though they are weak and lame, will not stumble and fall but will beome strong." From chapter 10,11 and 12 of Hebrews, (NLT)
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#126772 - 05/25/07 03:16 AM
Re: Apples of Gold
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"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our sufficiency is from God, who has qualified us to be ministers of a new covenant, not in a written code but in the Spirit; for the written code kills, but the Spirit gives life." - II Corinthians 3:5-6
"If we look beyond ourselves at that which is greater than we, then we can feel called to help others in just the moment when we ourselves need help most urgently - and , astonishingly, we can help. A power works through us which is not of us.... Perhaps we remember other situations when an action of a person, whose life we knew was disrupted, had a priestly, awakening , and healing effect upon us. It did not come from him, but was in him, as it did not come from us, but was in us.... Against both arrogance and despair stands the word that our qualification does not come from us, nor from any man or any institution, not even from the church, but from God. And if it comes from God it is His Spiritual Presence in our spirit." - Paul Tillich, The Eternal Now, chapter seven, "Spiritual Presence"
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#126861 - 05/26/07 02:43 AM
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