OK .... Just send it in care of David Koot . Andrews University Religion Dept. Berrien Springs, MI. 49104

Thanks Olger.

I had the CIA run a tracer on you and they said you are in California..

amused olger

Now stop that.

NOW .... Lets get back on topic about the health and sin of coffee.

in the grand scheme of things, my salvation will not depend on how much coffee I do/don't drink, how much jewelry I wear, yadda yadda.. dead horse beat.

Aha! May I assume from that bit of info that Andrews will be offering me a job? Hmmmm?

Gina ... The conservatives will disagree with that. They say that those who live in habitual sin should be disfellowshipped. And every time you drink coffee ... you are sinning according to Ellen White.

America's #1 Drug

Caffeine is produced by more than eighty species of plants. The reason may well be survival. As it turns out, caffeine is a biological poison used by plants as a pesticide.

Caffeine is considered harmless simply because it is so widely used.

There is a brochure available in hospitals and other medical related areas: "What you should know about caffeine" published by the International Food Information Council (IFIC) in Washington DC. After many phone calls Cherniske finally got a list of 'supporters' of the IFIC. The list included Pepsi, Coca-Cola, M&M, Nutrasweet, Nestle and Hershey - all of whom have caffeine in their drinks and foods. 'Partners' of the IFIC included groups such as the National Association of Pediatric Nurses and the Children's Advertising Review Unit of the Council of Better Business Bureau Inc. This brochure says that "Caffeine is normally excreted within several hours after consumption". In fact, only 1% is excreted. The remaining 99% has to be detoxified by the liver.

It can take up to 12 hours to detoxify a single cup of coffee.

Many studies regarding coffee and hypertension were flawed, because the test studies came off coffee for only one or two weeks. It takes many more weeks than this for stress hormone levels of the body to return to normal.

The 'half-life' of a drug is the time it takes the body to remove one half of the dose. Caffeine is a drug. The half-life of a single dose of caffeine ranges from three to TWELVE hours.

Caffeine puts your body into stress. A single 250 milligram dose of caffeine (the equivalent of about 2.5 six ounce cups of coffee) has been shown to increase levels of the stress hormone epinephrine (adrenaline) by over 200%.

Caffeine triggers a classic fight-or-flight reaction. The fight-or-flight response was designed for events that happened only occasionally (such as a lion chasing you). Now, we put our body in fight-or-flight every day with caffeine!!! Since we are in society, we don't respond in a fight-or-flight way. Instead, other things may happen. For example, sugar and fat get dumped unused in the bloodstream. The sugar creates more stress. The fat clogs the arteries. The digestive system slows or shuts down.

Not only is caffeine addictive, it also encourages other addictions to substances like nicotine.

Caffeine does not give you energy. It stimulates your nervous system and adrenals. That's not energy, that's stress. Imagine going to a bank for a loan. The loan officer agrees to your loan. But as you leave the bank you notice the fine print - the loan has to be repaid at 75% interest! The 'energy' that you think you get from caffeine is really just a loan from the adrenals and liver, and the interest you have to pay is very high.


olger

Reminds me of the information I got at my class on diabetes, which, by the way, is taught by non-SDA. The book says, "Your body sees alcohol as a poison." It says, "Alcohol also affects your nerves. If you have nerve damage, drinking can increase the pain, burning, tingling and numbness that you may have." It describes a lot of other bad results from drinking alcohol. So, that being the case, why would anyone want to drink it? (Wouldn't by any chance be for the way it makes us feel, would it?!) Yet the very next page tells us how to mix it and in what quantities!! Now why? Well, of course, because the people who wrote it know that lots of people will drink it anyway, despite the harm it does. It's like telling kids not to have sex but then giving them a condom because you know they're probably (no, almost certainly) going to do it anyway.

As far as coffee is concerned, why would I drink it if I know it is not good for me and that God gave Ellen White a message about it, that God's people shouldn't take it into their systems? Am I to trust other people on this thread who say it's OK or am I going to trust a prophet of God? Many of us say we believe that God gave her visions and messages, but we only obey the ones that we like or that don't call us to give up some favorite sin [yeah, I know; horrors, there's that word again]. I have a friend at my work who is living with a woman without benifit of marriage. They have a baby together [which a mutual friend, not he, told me about]. He talks about the Bible and about being obedient to the Word, but when it comes to that woman, it's as if the Bible and God don't matter. I see a lot of SDAs doing the same with Ellen White. We like many of the beautiful things she says [you know, the devotional things], but when it comes to calling us to make changes in our own life [for instance, what's in the Testimonies], well, then we tend to point out things which we think prove that she can only be trusted maybe 90% of the time [if that] and that our opinions are far superior.

Water is extremely dangerous

If you put just a few cupfuls in your lungs, you die
If you put plain water into your veins, you die
It is used as a paint thinner
It kills worms and bugs

...

/Bevin