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#132710 - 07/03/07 08:54 PM Re: Apples of Gold [Re: D. Allan]
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"...we... are fond of saying that here we are all free to choose what to believe. But that is as odd a notion as anything my fundamentalist faith ever asked me to accept. I don’t think any of us is free to believe what we choose to believe. You and I don’t choose what we believe. You and I believe what we are compelled to believe. We believe or do not believe because we are convinced by some combination of personal experience, information and logic.

"No, my friends, you and I are not free to believe anything we choose. You and I believe what we must. The beauty and genius of a faith like ours is that we are not asked to pretend to believe things we do not believe. You and I are not free to choose what we believe, but we are free to stay with our religious community when we grow and when we change our minds."

- from a sermon given by James Covington on January 22nd, 2006





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#132897 - 07/04/07 06:20 PM Re: Apples of Gold [Re: D. Allan]
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Physical heart disease may be the final manifestation of years of abuse that first begins in the psyche and spirit.
Susan Sontag notwithstanding, I am becoming increasingly convinced
that heart disease is a metaphor as well as an anatomical illness.
In poetry, art, and literature, the heart is often portrayed
as the organ most affected by our emotions,
and I think there is some truth in that."


- from Dr. Dean Ornish's Program for Reversing Heart Disease


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#133041 - 07/05/07 05:35 PM Re: Apples of Gold [Re: D. Allan]
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When we read the accounts of the great tradition of the Hebrew prophets, figures like Isaiah, Amos, Jeremiah, Micah and Ezekiel, we don’t find religious leaders that are concerned with doctrinal correctness or creeds. We find religious leaders who care about what people do. The prophets take the people of Israel to task not for heresies, but for their lack of faithfulness to their covenant. The prophets admonish the Hebrew people for how they treat each other and for straying from the path of righteousness—a way of being.

-- from a sermon given by James Covington on January 22nd, 2006



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#133328 - 07/06/07 09:25 PM Re: Apples of Gold [Re: D. Allan]
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In the Christian scriptures Jesus shows no interest in doctrinal purity.
His is a ministry of compassion and community, not orthodoxy.
He was more interested in what people do,
how they live with one another
and treat one another.
Jesus said “Love your enemies…
do unto others as you would have them do unto you…
Love your neighbor as yourself. ....

"When we think that religion is about what we believe,
we become distracted and misled.
When we think of religion as what we believe,
we fall into pointless arguments about what is correct and who is right."


- ibid


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#133489 - 07/07/07 06:08 PM Re: Apples of Gold [Re: D. Allan]
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The original meaning of the word religion, from the Greek, meant “that which binds us together” which, to me, implies a way of being together. Yet the search for true religion too often splits us apart. What binds us together, if not belief? Ultimately, when we get to the very core of who we are, what is that glue that holds us, that makes us a people, a faith community, a congregation?

- ibid

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#133758 - 07/08/07 07:14 PM Re: Apples of Gold [Re: D. Allan]
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"... it is the world's most negative emotion.
Jealousy is desperate and degrading;
it's when you ask more questions but believe fewer answers.
You are riding on the rim of Misery.

"Jealousy is not proof of affection. On the contrary, jealous people are usually hard-hearted, for pride is their ruling passsion, not love.

"Jealousy is peering suspiciously
at someone through an imaginary keyhole."

- Bill Ballance, The Bill Ballance Hip Handbook

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#133888 - 07/09/07 04:24 PM Re: Apples of Gold [Re: D. Allan]
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"There is a day
when the road neither
comes nor goes, and the way
is not a way but a place."

- Wendell Berry, A Tembered Choir - the Sabbath Poems 1979-1997, page 216
ISBN 1-887178-68-6
Counterpoint, Wash. D.C.

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#134090 - 07/10/07 05:13 PM Re: Apples of Gold [Re: D. Allan]
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What binds us together, if not belief? Ultimately, when we get to the very core of who we are, what is that glue that holds us, that makes us a people, a faith community, a congregation?



Religion, I submit to you, is about meaning and compassion.
What holds us together is what we love and care about so deeply, so tenaciously, so intensely,
that it gives life meaning....
Our religion is what we love so much that it shapes our lives. Our religion is about what we are willing to dream together
and then commit to making a reality.

Do you feel that every life is precious?
Do you feel that every person matters and that therefore you and I should be gentle,
kind,
and compassionate
with one another?
Do you believe children should be cherished and elders should be honored?
If you do, then you and I share the same religion,
and it matters little if you call yourself a theist
and I call myself an agnostic.

Our theological and philosophical opinions are about what we think, but what you and I think is not our religion.


- from a sermon given by James Covington on January 22nd, 2006

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#134262 - 07/11/07 05:11 PM Re: Apples of Gold [Re: D. Allan]
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"Look, no one in here today is fonder of his or her opinions than I am. But if you and I let our opinions, our ideas, drive us apart when we share the same fundamental values, we are fools. In traditional religious language we are guilty of idolatry. If we allow friendships and community to be split by opinions, we are worshipping false gods. Opinions change. The opinions we are adamant about today look quaint and ignorant tomorrow. You and I should hold our opinions lightly and gently, like a fledgling bird we are going to set free. An opinion is a tool that we pick up, use, then put down when its work is done. Opinions do not endure."

- ibid

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#134361 - 07/12/07 02:46 PM Re: Apples of Gold [Re: D. Allan]
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Love can endure, if we work at it. What we love most in life, what is most sacred to us, we must hold on to with every ounce of strength we can muster. What we truly love we must grasp like the lifeline it is. When we lose our grip on what we love we fall into an abyss.

Yes, there is such a thing as being truly religious. But it isn’t about knowing the truth or having the truth or believing the truth.

Being religious is about being true. Being religious is not having faith. It is about being faithful. Being religious is not about being right, but about living right.


- ibid

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