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#131081 - 06/23/07 05:42 AM Re: Starting July - Origins-In the Beginning [Re: Stan Jensen]
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Be sure to watch The Hope Channel for this important and exciting new series starting in July!


Hope Channel:
Wednesday 5 p.m. PST/8 p.m. EST/Thu 00h00 GMT
Friday 8 p.m. PST/11 p.m. EST/Sabbath 03h00 GMT
Sabbath 1:30 p.m. PST/4:30 p.m. EST/20h30 GMT


Coming soon now!

How exciting!!!
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#136425 - 07/28/07 04:36 PM Re: Starting July - Origins-In the Beginning [Re: Shane]
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Has anyone else been watching this program? It seems to be well-balanced and not favoring one philosophy over the other. That is what has struck me as odd since it is on the Church's television channel which is to be an instrument of evangelism.

It does give a fair voice to both sides. Of course FOXNews does that and gets accused of being a conservative mouthpiece so I suspect that those leaning toward the naturalist philosophy will claim this program advocates creationism and the creationists will claim it advocates naturalism.

My point is that it doesn't have to be fair. It is on our church's network. There would be nothing unethical about it advancing only the church's official view.

Perhaps the church wants to distinguish itself from other creationist groups. Similar to how our politics are distinguished from the Religious Right.

Adventist creationists do hold some positions different than fundamentalist creationists.

  • Lucifer sinned before Adam
  • Sinless life exists on other planets
  • Some stars were created before earth's creation week

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#137011 - 08/05/07 03:47 AM Re: Starting July - Origins-In the Beginning [Re: Shane]
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For those that are not watching, the show has two students at its center. One is a theistic evolutionist and the other is a traditional creationist. I like that concept however the evolutionist is a biology student and the creationist is a communications student. So it comes off, and rightly so I think, as if the creationist really doesn't know the facts involved with the science.

This is a quote from her taken off the website:

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What you disliked most about the trip: Not knowing enough about science to argue intelligently with Matt, and being at crowded RV parks


And worse, in my opinion, they chose a female to be the creationist. The common stereotype is that men are smarter and that only compounds the issue of her not knowing the science. I think it would have been better to have both students be science majors.

This week's episode they visited the Dead Seas Scrolls exhibit and it was pretty interesting. It is a good series for teachers to use in the classroom to generate discussion.
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#139477 - 09/02/07 01:12 AM Re: Starting July - Origins-In the Beginning [Re: Shane]
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The program is starting to grow on me but I do think it would have been much better off with two science students. I think its appeal is that it doesn't come off as if the producers have an agenda to just criticize natural science. It seems they are quite fair with natural science and yet it shows the subject of origins goes beyond the scope of science.

Matt does come off as being irritated with creationists trying to poke holes in the theories of natural science. To me, he seems content with natural science as long as it makes sense. His position seems to be 'why question it if it makes sense?' Of course the answer is because things are not always as they seem - especially if they conflict with God's Word.

Tiffany is sincere and bright but by her own admission, many of the scientific arguments are over her head. I think it would have been so much better to have a female science student that was able to keep Matt on his toes.
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