Don't you believe in a "Designer" of the universe, Bevin?

Or do you believe that the Big Bang arose out of nothing and resulted in everything we know today due to mere chance? How do you account for it?

How much faith do we have in the Bible? Do we dismiss it whenever our human knowledge tells us it is mistaken? How many have done that in the past and been wrong? And didn't sin enter human experience in the beginning due to people deciding to rely on human judgment rather than on God's Word?

This is not entirely correct. In many cases one dating method will date a given object differently than another dating method will.

The natural science era has done a lot of good by moving societies away from religious superstitions. As I have said before, dissenting ideas are not a bad thing. The truth need not fear investigation. It is when we try to limit people's access to dissenting ideas that we are trying to control their thinking. That is why creation and intelligent design ought to be taught in government schools in a philosophy curriculum.

"All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one."

I understand how and why naturalists arrive at their conclusions. I also have a lot of respect for many of these men and women of science. However for us that believe in the Supernatural, do we expect that God would have done everything He has done in the simplest way for us to understand?.

Let us consider for the moment the phenomenon of universal flood stories. Throughout the world, in various cultures and religions we find stories of a universal flood or a universal destruction of the earth with only a handful of people and animals surviving. Using Occam's Razor, wouldn't the simplest explanation be that there actually was a universal flood and the story was handed down throughout all these cultures and religions?

I was also thinking about that. Wasn't Nan's Husband, Sammy I believe is his name, mentioning about his home country of china that they had a Flood story. And I have also heard that almost every culture has there own Flood story that has been repeated down through the ages. I find that very interesting to say the least.

pkrause

I guess possibly an even simpler explanation is that every country has had at least one big flood in its history.

It seems to me that most of these are about the same time period, wouldn't you say?

pkrause

Science is about oservation, experimentation, and reproducibility or verification of one's observations. When it comes to origins, Bevin, science is no less dependent on faith & assumptions than the creationist.

An automobile, a dictionary, a watch, none of them can come into existence without someone making it, yet you want me to believe that something far more complex such as a living cell can come into existence by itself?

Gerry

I would think that every country - or geographical area - having a local flood and those local flood stories all getting distorted into a universal flood and destruction story is more complexed, not less complexed. I mean, what are the chances so many local flood stories be handed down generations and all get distorted?

The simpler explanation, in my mind, is that there was actually a universal flood and the story has been handed down through various cultures and religions.

The flood is only one example. There are several examples where naturalist explanations are the simplest. There are several others where supernatural explanations are simpler. Both sides come up with some complex explanations for some things that would be otherwise hard to explain.

Re; Flood stories

Don't forget the story, in the Gilgamesh form, is present in Babylon.

Don't forget people, and religions, and stories, migrate.

Don't forget many cultures have no written hisotyr, and can't tell you how far back a story existed in that culture

/Bevin