Club Adventist
Welcome with open arms fellow believers who don’t see things the way you do.
And don’t jump all over them every time they do or say something you don’t agree with
– even when it seems that they are strong on opinions but weak in the faith department.
Remember, they have their own history to deal with. Treat them gently. Romans 14.1: The Message
Page 11 of 23 < 1 2 ... 9 10 11 12 13 ... 22 23 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#136193 - 07/25/07 07:08 PM Re: The Watchmaker - story [Re: Shane]
melvin mccarty Online   content


Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 647
Loc: B,C.
Hmmm so do I get to decide which is poetry or do we have a committee for that? hehe

mel

Top
Visiting any ads that interest you helps to pay for our ads
#136196 - 07/25/07 07:38 PM Re: The Watchmaker - story [Re: melvin mccarty]
Shane Offline
Administrator of Foro Adventista

Registered: 02/02/02
Posts: 17020
Loc: Rio Grande Valley, Texas
I think that is academic. It doesn't really matter if it is poetry or not. If God says "I love you" in poetry, as He does in the Pslams, it carries the same message as when Jesus said it in a secret meeting in the middle of the night (John 3:16).

In first two chapters of Genesis God says He created the world in six literal days and rested on the seventh. Many Hebrew scholars say the language used was poetic, but that doesn't take away from its clear meaning. Later we find God saying the same thing in a thundering voice from a mountain top (Exodus 20). Both passages carry the same message.

So whether or not something is poetic does not impact what it is saying.
_________________________
I reserve the humble right to be wrong.

Link > Shane's Page - update in progress

Top
#136197 - 07/25/07 07:59 PM Re: The Watchmaker - story [Re: Shane]
melvin mccarty Online   content


Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 647
Loc: B,C.
So snakes do eat dirt after all?


mel

Top
#136202 - 07/25/07 11:00 PM Re: The Watchmaker - story [Re: Shane]
Tom Wetmore Offline
Latitudinarian

Registered: 06/21/00
Posts: 1234
Loc: Silver Spring, MD, USA
 Originally Posted By: Shane
Since snakes were winged animals...


Where did the idea that pre-sin snakes had wings come from?


Tom
_________________________
"Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good."
"Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal."
"I love God only as much as the person I love the least."
*Forgiveness is always good news.
(And finally, the ideas expressed above are soley my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)

Top
#136205 - 07/25/07 11:47 PM Re: The Watchmaker - story [Re: Tom Wetmore]
Gladussee Online   content
Posting "as the Spirit moves"

Registered: 07/08/00
Posts: 687
Loc: Apopka, FL. USA
Tom's question re" Serpents flying before sin entered this world".


"Patriarch & Prophets" p.53, Vol.3 "Spiritual Gifts" p. 39-40
"Story of Our Redemption" p. 32

Top
#136206 - 07/25/07 11:52 PM Re: The Watchmaker - story [Re: melvin mccarty]
Gladussee Online   content
Posting "as the Spirit moves"

Registered: 07/08/00
Posts: 687
Loc: Apopka, FL. USA
 Originally Posted By: melvin mccarty
So snakes do eat dirt after all?


mel


No, snakes eat only other live creatures..sometimes their eggs.

Top
#136209 - 07/26/07 12:40 AM Re: The Watchmaker - story [Re: Tom Wetmore]
John317 Moderator Online   content


Registered: 11/13/05
Posts: 10455
Loc: CA
 Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore
 Originally Posted By: Shane
Since snakes were winged animals...


Where did the idea that pre-sin snakes had wings come from?


Tom


In ancient mythology, serpents had wings; and as don/aldridge pointed out, Ellen White writes of the original serpents of Adam's day having wings. When in Gen. 3: 14 God cursed the serpent and said from then on it would move about on its belly, it appears to lend credence to the concept that serpents originally had wings.
_________________________
Turning and turning in the widening gyre/ The falcon cannot hear the falconer;/ things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... Surely some revelation is at hand;/Surely the Second Coming is at hand. W.B. Yeats


Top
#136219 - 07/26/07 02:13 AM Re: The Watchmaker - story [Re: Gladussee]
melvin mccarty Online   content


Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 647
Loc: B,C.
EGGzactly so Gen 3:14 is poetry as Shane said or symbolism or what? :-)

mel

Top
#136225 - 07/26/07 02:49 AM Re: The Watchmaker - story [Re: melvin mccarty]
John317 Moderator Online   content


Registered: 11/13/05
Posts: 10455
Loc: CA
 Originally Posted By: melvin mccarty
EGGzactly so Gen 3:14 is poetry as Shane said or symbolism or what? :-)

mel


Yes, it is written as poetry, but then so is the very next verse, which is the first promise of salvation through the coming Messiah. Both are highly symbolic yet they also point to literal truths. In the case of Gen. 3: 14, the essential truth is that man's rebellion against God had a tragic affect even on the animal kingdom. I believe the serpents once literally had wings, but it is not a point of any importance to our salvation.


Edited by John317 (07/26/07 02:52 AM)
_________________________
Turning and turning in the widening gyre/ The falcon cannot hear the falconer;/ things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... Surely some revelation is at hand;/Surely the Second Coming is at hand. W.B. Yeats


Top
#136233 - 07/26/07 05:58 AM Re: The Watchmaker - story [Re: John317]
Tom Wetmore Offline
Latitudinarian

Registered: 06/21/00
Posts: 1234
Loc: Silver Spring, MD, USA
 Originally Posted By: John317
 Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore
 Originally Posted By: Shane
Since snakes were winged animals...


Where did the idea that pre-sin snakes had wings come from?


Tom


In ancient mythology, serpents had wings; and as don/aldridge pointed out, Ellen White writes of the original serpents of Adam's day having wings...


For another interesting perspective - Did the Serpent Have Legs?

Tom
_________________________
"Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good."
"Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal."
"I love God only as much as the person I love the least."
*Forgiveness is always good news.
(And finally, the ideas expressed above are soley my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)

Top
Page 11 of 23 < 1 2 ... 9 10 11 12 13 ... 22 23 >


Moderator:  John317, John317 
Our Store


SEARCH OUR SITE

Custom Search
30 days FREE

This full membership income helps pay for hosting, advertising, domain names, software support etc etc
Shout Box

The Chat Room

Come Chat with others,
open 24/7

Who's Online
53 registered (Beryl, Bob Carmin, Bravus, BrokenAdventist, bygjymbo, CoAspen, darlene, dgrimm60, Doug, eddie, Ellen, fccool, forgie, Gladussee, Heather Cummings, Jerry D Thomas, John317, Kountzer, LifeHiscost, Lineman, Liz, LynnDel, mannybr2003, marysaR, melvin mccarty, Nan, Neil D, olger, pkrause, rab, Raphael, Raquel, Redwood, Robert, SMAN, Sulla, Suzanne Sutton, Taylor, Vera, 14 invisible), 476 Guests and 119 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Featured Member
Registered: 03/18/00
Posts: 2560
Top Posters (30 Days)
John317 512
Redwood 476
Shane 308
Neil D 259
Bravus 253
Robert 232
Stan Jensen 156
Gail 142
Amelia 135
pkrause 116
Taylor 114
Liz 114
olger 104
fccool 100
Nan 88
carolaa 80
Lineman 72
Gerry Cabalo 60
CoAspen 55
BobRyan 55
Top Posters
Amelia 18479
Shane 17020
Robert 15447
Gail 13646
Neil D 13254
John317 10455
Redwood 9100
Gerry Cabalo 7436
Naomi 7196
Bravus 7139
Gregory Matthews 7113
Nan 6047
Shirley 5292
ChildofChrist 5051
cricket 4903
bevin 4699
LifeHiscost 4170
Stan Jensen 3946
D. Allan 3883
dgrimm60 3615
Newest Members
BrokenAdventist, rab, historyb, TeensMom, Grace3
2977 Registered Users

THE ADVENTIST FORUM® is a self-supporting ministry and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland or any of its subsidiaries.
Copyright © ClubAdventist.com® 1999 - 2008