#142930 - 10/17/07 10:00 AM
Re: Loose ends...
[Re: jasd]
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it may be that the world will experience the beginning of profound changes... Certainly if it doesn't,we will. "The dead will not live, the departed spirits will not rise;Therefore You have punished and destroyed them,And You have wiped out all remembrance of them." Isa 26:14 NASB "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den." Isaiah 11:6-8 KJV "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, The lion shall eat straw like the ox, And dust shall be the serpent’s food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,” Says the LORD." Isaiah 65:25 NKJV 
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#142953 - 10/18/07 02:30 AM
Re: Loose ends...
[Re: LifeHiscost]
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>>Certainly if it doesn't,we will.<<
Yes, but the hour is darkest before the dawn, or...
>>"The dead will not live, the departed spirits will not rise;Therefore You have punished and destroyed them,And You have wiped out all remembrance of them." Isa 26:14 NASB<<
YLT Isa 26:14 Dead -- they live not, Rephaim, they rise not, Therefore Thou hast inspected and dost destroy them, Yea, thou destroyest all their memory.
What do you think? Should rapha’ or Rephaim have been translated [as interpretation] or left as giants?
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#142960 - 10/18/07 10:33 AM
Re: Loose ends...
[Re: jasd]
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What do you think? Should rapha’ or Rephaim have been translated [as interpretation] or left as giants?
Sorry to disappoint you but all I have to go on is the English language bibles and occasional professionals who might lend their expertise in a particular translation. My conclusions are drawn from comparing different English translations and comparing the Word in reference to the mercy, love, and wisdom of God as He gives me understanding. What I believe does not make that which is true, false. Nor does what I believe make that which is false, true. If you have drawn a different conclusion after having asked God for His Spirit to lead you, if I were in your place I'd listen to His voice. "Trust unto Jehovah with all thy heart, And unto thine own understanding lean not." Proverbs 3:5 YLT Blessings!! 
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#142986 - 10/19/07 01:05 AM
Re: Loose ends...
[Re: LifeHiscost]
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>>Sorry to disappoint you...<<
No need: I’m not disappointed.
>>...but all I have to go on is the English language bibles and occasional professionals who might lend their expertise in a particular translation.<<
I take your point; however, the YLT in the above translation is also in English, yes?
I too appeal to – ahem – professionals. That said, let me note that, almost entirely, professionals who contribute to our lexicons do so exclusively by researching that which has been written; rather than, from its original and common use – not put ‘pen to parchment’. Sometimes,
one has to be cognizant of the structure (that is, its parts) of a particular word itself for its etymology – rather than to whether or not it was found written contextually by one or another of the ancients.
>>...God as He gives me understanding. What I believe does not make that which is true, false. Nor does what I believe make that which is false, true.<<
True. It is, ultimately, what we believed and acted upon – that will form the basis upon which we will be judged; and, by Jesus Christ’s Parable of the Talents – that judgement is [sometimes] summary.
>>If you have drawn a different conclusion after having asked God for His Spirit to lead you, if I were in your place I'd listen to His voice.<,
I fly on one wing drawing upon that which the good Lord provides. Sometimes He provides from these boards and at other times from elsewhere.
>>"Trust unto Jehovah with all thy heart, And unto thine own understanding lean not." Proverbs 3:5 YLT<<
Good text. But one bears in mind the relative value implicit in ‘leaning’ upon one’s own understanding. I don’t believe the text implies that we check our brains at the door when entering the .org of choice.
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#143034 - 10/19/07 10:33 PM
Re: Loose ends...
[Re: LifeHiscost]
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>>"Trust unto Jehovah with all thy heart, And unto thine own understanding lean not." Proverbs 3:5 YLT<<
It may interest one or another to look at a near parallel:
"The shortest chapter in Holy Writ is Psalms 117 and
the longest chapter in Holy Writ is Psalms 119.
There are 594 chapters preceding Psalms 118 with
594 chapters following Psalms 118.
594 and 594 add up to 1188.
Psalms 118:8 reads..."
KJV Ps 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
YLT Ps 118:8 Better to take refuge in Jehovah than to trust in man,
The thought you proffered with the text Proverbs 3:5 is reflected
in the very center of Holy Writ.
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#143267 - 10/23/07 10:04 PM
Re: Loose ends...
[Re: jasd]
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>>"Trust unto Jehovah with all thy heart, And unto thine own understanding lean not." Proverbs 3:5 YLT<<
It may interest one or another to look at a near parallel:
"The shortest chapter in Holy Writ is Psalms 117 and
the longest chapter in Holy Writ is Psalms 119.
There are 594 chapters preceding Psalms 118 with
594 chapters following Psalms 118.
594 and 594 add up to 1188.
Psalms 118:8 reads..."
KJV Ps 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
YLT Ps 118:8 Better to take refuge in Jehovah than to trust in man,
The thought you proffered with the text Proverbs 3:5 is reflected
in the very center of Holy Writ. Beautiful short synopsis of an enduring heavenly principle. I once had a close relationship with a young male Christian who found some mathematical principles he revealed to me that revealed characteristics of the throne of grace that blew my mind away. No one could convince me, nor even yet, it wasn't the Holy Spirit that had led him to such deep and profound knowledge of such principles, that even today I've never seen another human being replicate. Because of his obvious connection with God, I took with confidence, his advice for a marital relationship that ended up turning into the greatest disaster any man could ever hope not to have, not to mention the depth of tragedy in the lives of others about whom I have no knowledge. I still believe today he was, and hopefully still is, an earnest servant of Jesus. What did I learn through the whole experience? For one thing, the most religious of people don't necessarily always give good advice. And secondly, but most importantly, from Jesus; "...you follow Me..." verse and book on request Blessings! 
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#143268 - 10/23/07 10:20 PM
Re: Loose ends...
[Re: jasd]
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Good text. But one bears in mind the relative value implicit in ‘leaning’ upon one’s own understanding. I don’t believe the text implies that we check our brains at the door when entering the .org of choice.
True, But I find entrusting the brain, with it's choices, at the feet of Jesus, gives greater probability of a successfuul outcome. But that's of course only applicable to those who have made poor choices along the way. As, I recall, there was only One, and then maybe a couple, who actually chose to wander the wilderness for 40 years. Cheers! LHC 
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#143365 - 10/26/07 01:07 AM
Re: Loose ends...
[Re: LifeHiscost]
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>>I once had a close relationship with a young male Christian who found some mathematical principles he revealed to me that revealed characteristics of the throne of grace that blew my mind away. ... What did I learn through the whole experience? For one thing, the most religious of people don't necessarily always give good advice.<<
Yes, unfortunately, even those to whom we ascribe ‘prophet’ often times prove misleading. Though the following diverges somewhat..., it substantiates another principle along this line;
I accompanied a professional handicapper to Santa Anita Racetrack and counted myself lucky to be in such company. I followed his handicapping religiously that day – and bet accordingly – race after race, and lost race after race. Meanwhile,
I handicapped the races on the side and would have been able to cash-in six times – on the strength of my own handicapping. Finally,
with him borrowing money from me and with my resources equally in dire straits – I bet on a horse with 80/1 odds of winning in the next race (thinking to either return home broke or to recoup my losses). I won – Beaucoup!
We celebrated my ‘luck’ with steak dinners on the way back to Los Angeles.
Moral of the story? Sometimes, (Gd aside) it is better to rely upon our own understanding – wherever that leads...
(alternately, betting on horses is for suckers ;-)
>>...from Jesus;
"...you follow Me..." verse and book on request<<
Of course, chapter and verse..., please.
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#143366 - 10/26/07 01:12 AM
Re: Loose ends...
[Re: LifeHiscost]
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>>As, I recall, there was only One, and then maybe a couple, who actually chose to wander the wilderness for 40 years.<<
The sense of the above eludes me: is there a typo in the above?
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#143368 - 10/26/07 01:32 AM
Re: Loose ends...
[Re: jasd]
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I consider ‘astrology’ to be more than less a pseudo science. That said,
am I in agreement with Holy Writ?
Astrology: 1. The study of the positions and aspects of celestial bodies in the belief that they have an influence on the course of natural earthly occurrences and human affairs. 2. Obsolete Astronomy.
I’ve noticed that the doctrine of the 144,000 –as advanced– by the .Org indulges in propagating the [12] ‘temperaments’ coinciding ever-so neatly with that of Astrological ‘sciences’; rather than, taking the [number] 144,000 literally...
Zodiac: 1.a. Astronomy A band of the celestial sphere extending about 8° to either side of the ecliptic that represents the path of the principal planets, the moon, and the sun. b. In astrology, this band divided into 12 equal parts called signs, each 30° wide, bearing the name of a constellation for which it was originally named but with which it no longer coincides owing to the precession of the equinoxes. c. A diagram or figure representing the zodiac. 2. A complete circuit; a circle.
zodiac - a belt-shaped region in the heavens on either side to the ecliptic; divided into 12 constellations or signs for astrological purposes
Is astrology Biblical? not in any form? Perhaps then, the Zodiac is Biblical? Of course it is – but in what manner or capacity?
I suggest that it is not only incorporated within Writ but is, in fact, used by Gd to advance prophecy.
True? or false?
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