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#14510 - 10/02/04 06:12 PM Re: Silver Spring, we have a problem. [Re: sweettrini]
LynnDel Possibility person Registered: 05/06/00 Posts: 2708 Loc: In transit	JimBob, Just thinking. . . The trouble with riding a hobby horse - having one major issue that you often address - is that it can get to the point when people see your name at the head of a post, they will think to themselves, "I know what he's going to say," and not bother to read it. It has been my personal experience that it is the rare professional sermon giver who can take kindly to sermon suggestions. It is human nature to consider one's creations, including sermons, in the same light that some might view their grandchildren or their pet. Love me, love my dog. Love me, love my sermon. I have not ever seen any church member effectively influence sermon preparation or delivery, and only sometimes content. Constructive criticism is only useful if the target is listening or wants to improve. I think your hobby horse is firmly rooted in one spot. It ain't gonna go anywhere, JimBob. LynnDel
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#14511 - 10/02/04 09:07 PM Re: Silver Spring, we have a problem. [Re: ]
Nicodema Registered: 11/22/03 Posts: 777 Loc: Beyond your grasp	There's an EGW quote that addresses this whole thing rather nicely. I believe it's from MH p. 143? Anyway ... it addresses the whole topic of sermonizing itself, and summarizes the matter quite nicely: "Christ's method alone will give true success in reaching the people. The Saviour mingled with men as one who desired their good. He showed His sympathy for them, ministered to their needs, and won their confidence. Then He bade them, "Follow Me." There is need of coming close to the people by personal effort. If less time were given to sermonizing, and more time were spent in personal ministry, greater results would be seen. The poor are to be relieved, the sick cared for, the sorrowing and the bereaved comforted, the ignorant instructed, the inexperienced counseled. We are to weep with those that weep, and rejoice with those that rejoice." Seems it doesn't matter whether sermons are topical or exegetical, meaty or milky -- the bottom line is, less talk, more action; less preaching, more personal involvement. Personally, I second that notion. N. _________________________ "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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#14512 - 10/03/04 01:54 AM Re: Silver Spring, we have a problem. [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	OK..NON FAT DRY MILK TYPICAL TOPICAL SERMON DOPER,BIBLEHATING GAINSAYERS...LISTEN UP!! I just got off the phone with a friend who is head deacon where John Bradshaw of Amazing Facts is doing an evangelistic series. The title of his sermon today was.... "The 2 preachers who stopped coming to church." Guess what the 2 preachers are???? The OLD and NEW TESTAMENTS?? the theme being that the exposure of the bible from the pulpit is getting low/minimized. Want to pick on John too?? Maybe he is reading my TYPICAL TOPICAL SERMON posts on the internet.. AND another thing....if I ceased my campaign...then new people on the forums like Bille etc..would not have someone to agitate them. BTW..Nico..I think you know I am very familiar with the MH 143.(MSNCF).since I usually use it in my outreach tirades along with FORT and CLIRTS
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#14513 - 10/03/04 02:02 AM Re: Silver Spring, we have a problem. [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	Anyone care to share the sermon debriefing of today from their church??? As much as I think my current pastor is a for real serious, no nonsense, caring pastor... today's TOPICAL SERMON covered 3 verses and used 4 stories.. let's see 3 verses a week and 30,000 verses in the bible....hmm Do we have 10,000 weeks/sabbaths til Jesus comes??? SDA..people of the book??? Who started that Urban legend anyway????? OH....in the SS class we covered at least 21 verses in Daniel and used at least 2 other verses for elaboration and covered .. Outreach, exclusivity, health and holiness connection,(brain scans of the frontal lobe), great controversy, prayer, seeing the writing on the wall, countering secular humanism...and more...
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#14514 - 10/03/04 03:12 AM Re: Silver Spring, we have a problem. [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: It has been my personal experience that it is the rare professional sermon giver who can take kindly to sermon suggestions. I have not ever seen any church member effectively influence sermon preparation or delivery, and only sometimes content. Constructive criticism is only useful if the target is listening or wants to improve. I think your hobby horse is firmly rooted in one spot. It ain't gonna go anywhere, JimBob. LynnDel 2 Timothy, chapter 4 "1": I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; "2": Preach the word ; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. "3": For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; "4": And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. That is ok...I am posting for that rare clergy who hasn't gone deaf...they are one in a thousand. Ever read about George Whitefield? He knew exactly what I am talking about.
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#14515 - 10/03/04 03:21 AM Re: Silver Spring, we have a problem. [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	darlene, Hurry up ...I can't stand the suspense!!
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#14516 - 10/03/04 03:22 AM Re: Silver Spring, we have a problem. [Re: sweettrini]
darlene Make It Happen Registered: 07/06/02 Posts: 3150 Loc: British Columbia, Canada	JimBob7, I am not a trained preacher but, I preach. I believe that the Lord gives me the topic to preach on; be it a topical sermon or any other kind of sermon. I take my direction from Him and speak on the topic that He gives that is necessary for the group I speak to. I believe that there are many other speakers who do the same thing. So, if the Lord gives me a topical sermon, in your estimation that is wrong? When I look at the life of Jesus, I see that He used parables (stories) most often. Common everyday stories which reached the hearts of the common everyday folk. Jesus was in the business of reaching hearts. So, today many times the topical sermons reach hearts more readily than does a theological sermon. Theological sermons most often benefit an educated audience. I know, because I am a common person and I can understand stories better than theological sermons.
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#14517 - 10/03/04 03:42 AM Re: Silver Spring, we have a problem. [Re: meek]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: JimBob7, I am not a trained preacher but, I preach. I believe that the Lord gives me the topic to preach on; be it a topical sermon or any other kind of sermon. I take my direction from Him and speak on the topic that He gives that is necessary for the group I speak to. I believe that there are many other speakers who do the same thing. So, if the Lord gives me a topical sermon, in your estimation that is wrong? Yeah..He places a topic on your heart..He doesn't provide the homiletics/sermon. Quote: When I look at the life of Jesus, I see that He used parables (stories) most often. Common everyday stories which reached the hearts of the common everyday folk. Jesus was in the business of reaching hearts. So, today many times the topical sermons reach hearts more readily than does a theological sermon. Theological sermons most often benefit an educated audience. I know, because I am a common person and I can understand stories better than theological sermons. You can understand stories better because.. even the pastors are not sufficiently trained. Don't know if you ever saw the thread I posted about the sermon on the mount ..how it all can be read in 13 minutes (Matt 5-7)and covers...as you know many topics.. Thanks for the post..I appreciate you preaching.. Here is some more input.... When God places on your heart a topic...find it in several places in scripture where the topic is covered. Focus on the most comprehensive text dealing with that topic. Then look at the surrounding support context. As you use SOP or a commentary see how the supporting context deal with the cognitive/relational tangents of that topic. As you preach with the comprehensive text.. with your topic as the main theme...you can minister to a variety of maturity levels that way..because you add detail and bridges to the topic....hope that makes sense to you. You see..the Spirit inspires the text and the flow/buildup.. toward the theme..as well as the following verses are also inspired. This way the listener can have the aid of the Holy Spirit when the are edging toward that theme in their life and hear clues/warning that they are nearing boundaries or be encouraged as they get clues that they are approaching ground that is blessed. This is edifying for the faith experience. Most preachers rarely share this. They attempt one hit wonders and it handicaps the believer
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#14518 - 10/03/04 10:31 AM Re: Silver Spring, we have a problem. [Re: sweettrini]
Nicodema Registered: 11/22/03 Posts: 777 Loc: Beyond your grasp	Quote: OK..NON FAT DRY MILK TYPICAL TOPICAL SERMON DOPER,BIBLEHATING GAINSAYERS...LISTEN UP!! BTW..Nico..I think you know I am very familiar with the MH 143.(MSNCF).since I usually use it in my outreach tirades along with FORT and CLIRTS (1) You'll have to speak English -- I have no idea what a MSNCF, a FORT or a CLIRTS is. (2) Are you angry with me? Or with the pen of inspiration? All I did was quote EGW. I didn't even turn her into a CLUB for ADVENTISTS. Quote: (NK quoting EGW) "Christ's method alone will give true success in reaching the people. The Saviour mingled with men as one who desired their good. He showed His sympathy for them, ministered to their needs, and won their confidence. Then He bade them, "Follow Me." There is need of coming close to the people by personal effort. If less time were given to sermonizing, and more time were spent in personal ministry, greater results would be seen. The poor are to be relieved, the sick cared for, the sorrowing and the bereaved comforted, the ignorant instructed, the inexperienced counseled. We are to weep with those that weep, and rejoice with those that rejoice." _________________________ "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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#14519 - 10/03/04 04:44 PM Re: Silver Spring, we have a problem. [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Reviewing.... Quote: (NK quoting EGW) "Christ's method alone will give true success in reaching the people. The Saviour M ingled with men as one who desired their good. He showed His S ympathy for them, ministered to their N eeds, and won their C onfidence. Then He bade them, " F ollow Me." MH 143 MSNCF Primary and my favorite outreach SOP quote Another Church outreach acronym.. FORT Discuss with others... Family Occupation Religion Testimony ----------------- Another outreach acronym taught in evangelical circles CLIRTS Confrontational (Day of Pentecost speech by Peter) Logical (Paul on Mar's hill) Invitational (Disciple inviting another disciple.."Come and see") Relational (Jesus to the woman at the well) Testimonial ("I used to be a drug pusher and into Satanism and found Christ") Service (Here let me help you with that issue.or.have you had breakfast today?) The wild intro talk was addressed to whoever..
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