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#145382 - 11/25/07 12:21 AM Re: What is our church doing about this? [Re: Amelia]
John317 Registered: 11/13/05 Posts: 7676 Loc: CA	I tend to agree with you, Amelia. If an SDA were president, he would naturally be sworn to protect the constitution of the US and therefore he would have to do quite a few things he would not want to do as an Adventist. For instance, he might have to send soldiers into battle, etc., or declare war. In the case of Mayor Street, it seems to me that the church should send representatives to him and find out why he did what he did. Maybe there is a reasonable, acceptable explanation. On the other hand, if he says that he personally believes in marrying or uniting of a man with a man or a woman with a woman, that would be something completely different, and then the church would need to seriously consider disfellowshipping him. When sins are done in the open and in public, and a person refuses to repent, then the church has to correct the situation or God considers the whole church responsible. We learn this in Num. 11 and Joshua 7. Edited by John317 (11/25/07 01:06 AM) _________________________ Turning and turning in the widening gyre/ The falcon cannot hear the falconer;/ things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... Surely some revelation is at hand;/Surely the Second Coming is at hand. W.B. Yeats
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#145385 - 11/25/07 01:03 AM Re: What is our church doing about this? [Re: Neil D]
LifeHiscost Registered: 06/14/03 Posts: 4057 Loc: Western United States	Originally Posted By: Neil D ...go talk to your brother....find out from the source why he did what he did, if he did.... Good principle from the Word. Another one taken from our native born Americans. Don't sit in judgement upon another until you have walked X amount of days in his moccasins. Many of us say what we would do if it had been left up to us, not recognizing that God didn't choose us to have that responsibility, probably because He knew how we would have handled it. Since Mayor Street has already undergone the litmus test, the next best thing we can do is as you have pointed out, Neil, go to our brother and inquire what we can do together to contain the collateral damage. "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Proverbs 21:2 KJV "In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes." Judges 21:25 NKJV Maybe mayor Overstreet hasn't paid a lot of attention to his Bible since putting his hand on it while making the oath of office to the community. Seems like I remember the brother of Moses made a similar mistake and I don't think he was disfellowshipped, and I don't think there was any confusion about whether he had done something wrong. Regards! _________________________ Lift Jesus up!!
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#145394 - 11/25/07 03:33 AM Re: What is our church doing about this? [Re: LifeHiscost]
Redwood Swiss n Swedish American Registered: 12/09/06 Posts: 6952 Loc: A citizen of Heaven	Thanks LHC and Neil .... Good comments. It is often that we can understand the other side if ONLY we GIVE then a CHANCE .... I will propose just one way to look at this rather than to condemn. Consider what SDA Chaplains do ... They have committed to serve ALL faiths. This "may" mean that they would do something they do not believe in ... this would be done for Catholics or for Jews ... or for Mormons ... whoever they are serving at the time. In this scenario that I have outlined ... they may actually baptize a Baby for instance. I think there could be many NON- SDA rites that they might perform.What about communion to a Catholic? Let's be considerate to our brothers in Christ. Do we kick our Chaplains out of the church? Well then ... I don't see the Mayor as any different. But anyway ... before we crucify him ... lets be Christian enough to get his side. Then if we don't like what he says ... then we can stone him. Where is our good friend Gregory Matthews? Gregory ... could you help us out and confirm or deny what I have said? _________________________ Another one of Woodies Goodies Brought to you by Redwood ... a better tree for a new tomorrow. Redwood
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#145395 - 11/25/07 03:49 AM Re: What is our church doing about this? [Re: Amelia]
Shane Administrator of Foro Adventista Registered: 02/02/02 Posts: 15817 Loc: Rio Grande Valley, Texas	Quote: If a person of any religion also works in politics they should keep the two separate. I don't see how this is possible. Our religion, Seventh-day Adventism, believes in religious liberty. We have no conflict between our personal practice of religion, and allowing other people to practice theirs. So for us to serve in the political arena does not present a conflict between religion and public policy. The Constitution of the United States does not establish a separation between church and state. President Jefferson used that terminology to characterize the free-exercise clause in the First Amendment. The Constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." That provides a degree of separation of church and state but certainly does not required elected officials to abandon their moral convictions because they are based in religion. _________________________ I reserve the humble right to be wrong. Link > Shane's Page - update in progress
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#145408 - 11/25/07 07:18 AM Re: What is our church doing about this? [Re: olger]
Tom Wetmore Latitudinarian Registered: 06/21/00 Posts: 994 Loc: Silver Spring, MD, USA	This topic seems to be another fine example of what Bravus posted that conservatives are obsessing over all the time... As for the repeated reference to pitching a tent toward Sodom, the sin of Sodom was not what is popularly assumed: Quote: Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. - Ezekiel 16:49,50. Hmmm... Tom _________________________ "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are soley my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
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#145431 - 11/25/07 03:55 PM Re: What is our church doing about this? [Re: Tom Wetmore]
Shane Administrator of Foro Adventista Registered: 02/02/02 Posts: 15817 Loc: Rio Grande Valley, Texas	Originally Posted By: D. Allen I just don't understand why "straight" people are so facinated with the topic of homosexuality. Any ideas? Originally Posted By: Victor J Adamson Great question! 1)Straight people, I believe, are "fascinated" by the subject because it is in your face daily in government and politics, legislation, education, media, entertainment, music, social services, and religion. There is a gay agenda that is forcing this issue upon society in all the above areas of life. The homosexual activists are not content with being tolerated, or left alone to practice their lifestyle. They seem to be intent upon shoving the issue down the throats of a very tolerant society. 2)Straigh people, I believe, are "fascinated" by the subject because they are forced to deal with the issue within their own families, and in light of their beliefs and standards. Parents are devistated, as mine were, by the effects of homosexuality upon their children. Husbands are devastated by wives that leave them for a woman. Wives are devasted by husbands that leave them for a man. Children are devasted by parents that break up their family structure in pursuit of someone outside of their marriage. Straight people are very much affected by the issue of homosexuality. All homosexuals were born as a result of heterosexual "love". Homosexuality is not an island unto itself. Homosexuality could not exist without heterosexual family somewhere. 3) The Bible says "And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. ...Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot..." (Luke 17:26,28) We could do an indepth study on this point, but suffice it to say in brief, Christian straight people believe the worldwide tolerance, acceptance, prideful celebration, and promotion of homosexuality is a definite sign of the soon coming of Jesus. "We" have a loving burden for our gay brothers and sisters and want them to be ready to meet Jesus when He comes. It is a part of the gospel commission to be interested in the gay community, for Jesus Himself said, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14) And in Revelation 14:6,7 John said, "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." _________________________ I reserve the humble right to be wrong. Link > Shane's Page - update in progress
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#145432 - 11/25/07 04:43 PM Re: What is our church doing about this? [Re: Shane]
Neil D Today, I ain't for sale. Check back tomorrow. Registered: 08/10/00 Posts: 12108 Loc: Ca., Id, Wa., Or. or somewhere...	Ok, I don't understand.... Where is this facination complex coming from? I have a lot of straight friends...they are not facinated with homosexuality...Who believes that this is an everyday topic with some sort of intense discussion? I tend to think that this is a repeated topic that media is promoting because it is different... There is a lot of assumption being generated by being different...Homosexuality is definately different...and yes, it causes some to explore that area because it is different [I also tend to believe that if you painted green spots on yourself and make it fun that there would be imitators as well, and thus perpetuating the problem of painting green spots on yourself.]....I also think that there is enough noisy gays and lesbians to get the publicity that they need to attract the 'rebels' in society...And I haven't met too many who were not rebels in someway... But as for straights being fasinated with homosexuality, I am sorry...it is not that facinating....It is a problem of tolerance...of allowing people to go thier own ways....of allowing them to make choices that we don't agree with... And that's the problem, isn't it? Defending someone's right to freedom and free speach, even if you don't agree with thier non-harmful behavior or speaking for something that you don't agree with..... All this furor over an SDA man celebrating the union of two homosexuals.... Edited by Neil D (11/25/07 04:49 PM) _________________________ Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana
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#145436 - 11/25/07 05:29 PM Re: What is our church doing about this? [Re: Neil D]
cricket Registered: 11/11/03 Posts: 4766	Personally, I find Mr. Street's action to be non-offensive in the least. However, I have to wonder if he wasn't making a personal statement to his own professed faith in performing this ceremony on a Sabbath. I can't presume to know his internal, personal thoughts on his actions, but there seems to be something speaking louder to his heart than is touched upon in this thread.
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#145437 - 11/25/07 05:31 PM Re: What is our church doing about this? [Re: Redwood]
lazarus Registered: 07/09/05 Posts: 1370 Loc: Maryland USA	Originally Posted By: Redwood . they may actually baptize a Baby for instance. I think there could be many NON- SDA rites that they might perform.What about communion to a Catholic? Let's be considerate to our brothers in Christ. Do we kick our Chaplains out of the church? Well then ... I don't see the Mayor as any different. But anyway ... before we crucify him ... lets be Christian enough to get his side. Good points Red. In 2005 I baptized a dying baby at 4am because the mother was catholic and she asked me to do it. In 2006 I performed a worship service with an gay priest at a hospital worship service. I guess If some here had heard that I as an SDA pastor was performing baby baptisms or doing worship services with gays they would want my credentials and my membership revoked. Last year I sat in the same row as Mayor Street in the church where he is a member. I didn't see any of the signs of an apostacy . I guess I'd want to ask him about it before I would call for his being disfellowshiped. Edited by lazarus (11/25/07 06:36 PM) _________________________ Getting cleaner, more articulate, and elitist every day!
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#145438 - 11/25/07 05:35 PM Re: What is our church doing about this? [Re: cricket]
Neil D Today, I ain't for sale. Check back tomorrow. Registered: 08/10/00 Posts: 12108 Loc: Ca., Id, Wa., Or. or somewhere...	I agree, Cricket... That is why, if one were to follow Christ's example in recifying arguements, you go to the source and ask and discuss with him your problem with his actions...If you do that, you find out from him where he is coming from and what is going on in his mind....and you can allay any suspecions to rest or go the next step.... _________________________ Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana
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