If your superiors were to hear of these things from a source other than you, it certainly would be appropriate for them to inquire what the circumstances were that caused you to do these things. However if you were not employed by the church or an ordained pastor, it should be an issue left up to the local church and the conference, union or division needn't get involved.

The militant gays are in-our-face with their agenda. It is not enough for us to be tolerant. They want us to accept and promote their behavior. This is evidenced by their desire for gay marriage and favorable role in media.

If Mayor Street understood the destructiveness of the gay lifestyle, like Pastor Woolsey does, I doubt he would have been involved with the service. He is most likely guilty of misplaced sympathy. He likely views being gay as an alternative lifestyle. Some view being gay like being Catholic, Lutheran or Muslim. Since we Adventists are advocates of religious liberty and civil rights, he may feel his actions are consistent with the spirit of Adventism. Or he may confuse being gay with being black and view gay rights in the same light as civil rights. However being black is not a destructive lifestyle, not sinful and cannot be changed. In either case, it is an issue of misplaced sympathy.

`lo Tom. "Detestable" things are the context in this thread AND in the Ezekiel 16 account.

That pride lay at the foundation of Sodom's homosexual moral failures shouldn't shock us - a nation revulsed by Gay pride week. Here's the right hand of the Ezekiel passage.

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities" (Jude 7-8).


Thanks,

olger

Well Ger, the Hebrew word translated as "despicable" is a more general adjective which could refer to many awful things, but does not appear to have as part of its direct meaning or by implication anything of a sexual nature.

And similarly the Greek words translated in the KJV as "strange flesh" in Jude address broadly sexual immorality and perversion, but not specifically homosexual behavior.

Tom

It isn't that hard to figure out.

"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." (Ezekiel 16:49,50)

OK, here in Ezekiel we have it that Sodom was haughty and did detestable things.

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities" (Jude 7-8).

OK, now in Jude we have it clear that they were fornicators.

"...the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter. "And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them... Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof." (Genesis 19:4, 5, 8)

OK, Genesis is pretty clear the men of Sodom wanted to rape the angels and wouldn't settle for Lot's virgin daughters. When we put Ezekiel, Jude and Genesis together we come up with same-sex relations as one of Sodom's sins. It wasn't their only sin but it was one of their sins. So the faith of our fathers is trustworthy in this regard.

Yada, Yada, Yada...

That's Hebrew, for "I know, I know, I know..."

And that's the word of many meanings and uses that appears in Genesis 19 to refer to what the mob (both men and women, because it also says, "all the people from every quarter") of Sodom wanted to do with the angels in Lot's house. (And who was worse, the mob or Lot, who preferred they rape his daughters rather than his guests!?!?)

And that is what it was all about - r-a-p-e. As has often been pointed out, the crime of rape is not an act of sex, but an act of violence. So it seems that despite the superficial mechanical resemblance to gay sex, men gang raping another man is as close to homosexuality as a group of men forcibly sodomizing and gang raping a young girl is to heterosexuality. Same weapon, different victim, but the same despicable crime against humanity.

Tom

One has to put all the pieces together to get homosexuality. If we take each verse separately, like gay theology does, we can rationalize and say Sodom's sin was inhospitality and violence. However Jude specifically says their sin included fornication, which is a sexual sin - a violation of the Seventh Commandment.

The point of whether the crowd was all men or a mix of men and women is rather irrelevant. Men are the typical sexual aggressors. Does anyone suspect that sexually aggressive women were in the crowd demanding to have sex with these angels and that Lot offered these women his virgin daughters? And if it were women demanding sex with the angels, Lot must have thought they were lesbian-inclined since he offered his daughters to them. So either way, if those demanding sex were men or women, gay overtones are all over the story and Jude clearly defines fornication as one of their sins. The "strange flesh" Jude speaks of isn't necessarily homosexuality but in light of the Genesis account, it probably is.

By offering his daughters to those men-- as horrible as it sounds--Lot showed deep respect for the "natural order" of God's plan for human beings, which is that the male is to use the female for sex, and not other males. The rape of any body by anyone, whether male or female, is a terrible crime, but the rape of a female's body by a male is at least not a perversion in the way that homosexual rape is. See the Bible's characterization of these things in Romans 1: 24-28. So, it seems to me, Lot was showing that he would rather have his beloved daughters abused than see such a horrible, unnatural crime as homosexual rape committed against Yahweh in the person of His messengers. This is doubtless a hard concept for us to fully grasp because we've grown accustomed to viewing these things through the eyes of a society which increasingly advocates the notion that marriage between two men or two women should be considered normal.

You guys! What you are doing here is as evil in God's eyes as homosexual acts performed by homosexual humans. You are killing or condeming our brothers and sisters just as surely as they are doing what is evil in God's eyes.

No I do not support homosexual acts for that is just plain sin but, I do love and support those who are homosexual. I happen to have 4-5 friends who are homosexuals. Some of them are acting homosexuals and though I do not believe that what they are doing is right, they still are my friends. I also have some that are not practising homosexuals and they are my brothers in Christ just as surely as you are my brothers in Christ.

No, we don't have to condone homosexuality but, we do have to love these people just as Jesus would.

Spoken by a a male, posted by a male...I have but one thing to say about such a posting....Utterly Vile!!

OLGER dont u know!!!!

When gay couples get together the sex is exciting and new but as time marches on and if they stay together they become more like siblings(if they like each other and have common interests).

God divinely ordered that in the emotional makeup of men(and woman). GOD is sooo GOOD.

All the gay couples I have known thru the years dont have sex anymore with each other. They have become comfortable and share a history. They are not attracted to each other anymore.

It has been discussed and shared on same sex attraction christian sites a bit. God is great! He has his hands in everything when he designed us!!!!

Praise JESUS!!!!

So when u see a gay couple who has been together many years(and maybe even got married with an SDA in the room) u can rest assured there is no sodomy going on Anymore.
wheeew!