Question Jasd, do you really talk like this in real life?

JASD

HEY remember me it is now 8 months and 8 days until
8-08-08

but it ia also 8 months and 9 days uitl
8-09-08
so I will see you on 8-09-08

dgrimm60

>>Question Jasd, do you really talk like this in real life?<<

Sid and rudywoofs,



This forum is not “real life”? No? Okay,

I speak this way only in my more lucid moments; otherwise ... ;-)

So, Sid, what do you think?



Does one expect a .org – wresting that which Gd has sealed – is able to rightly “divide” the WORD upon this particular point?

If a .org – notwithstanding the proscription of Gd’s sealing – presses certain ‘interpretations’ upon its constituency,

might a parishioner within that constituency expect that other points of doctrine might also be wrested?

Referencing positions taken upon another current thread...:

It seems to me that a .org’s argument for a certain looseness of meaning and/or application would translate as indicative of a general ‘looseness’ relative to other matters Biblical. That...,

yields constructs – rather than abiding principles. (that’s okay for someone like me; but, for a .org {having the resources of its own BRI or equivalent} to practice construction rather that proper hermeneutics, well...)

Examp:

Ex 20:10
CATTLE: 0929 bĕhemah

1) beast, cattle, animal
a) beasts (coll of all animals)
b) cattle, livestock (of domestic animals)
c) wild beasts

Well, one can easily see where I might be going with the above; that is, what elliptical understanding of The Law might permit the 19th century Sabbath observer – to hitch horse to buggy – easing one’s church-going? whereas, the OT observer “picking up sticks” upon the Sabbath – was stoned – to death.

Is a certain ‘looseness’ in the formulation and construction of ‘doctrines’ desireable? Or did something change in between time? If so,

what? and, how are the degrees of change determined?

Situational? Cultural? Convenience?

>>HEY remember me<<

Of course, dgrimm60, should I not?

>>...so I will see you on 8-09-08<<

As I’ve noted before: Gd willing...

Perhaps, it is not wise to presume upon Gd, yes? no?

It is my understanding that the word, "forever", in the Bible often refers to the lifespan of something that ends with conditions extraordinary, such as the flames that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, which flames were reported to burn forever.

Obviously those flames ceased burning as soon as those cities were burned up.

"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."
2 Peter 3:11,13 KJV NASB
Regards!

dgrimm60

It may please you to know that the Chinese and sundry pundits may be proved wrong per the Saxo Bank:

"China’s stockmarket down 40 per cent." (timeframe, '08)

or from elsewhere:

"...the odds are 3-1/5-2 that China will experience an Avian Influenza (bird flu) epidemic in '08." ...and will give it to the rest of us - that translates to pandemic.

Ouch!

Proportionality? Daniel’s second chapter!?

The entirety of the Image, less feet, spanned a period of approximately 1093 years; that is, from the 616 BC beginning of the Neo-Babylonian Empire to AD 476 when its last Emperor was deposed by the Hun Odoacer. (there remains, however, the question of just how Byzantium played-out vis-à-vis the Image dream and Rome proper).

It is purported by ‘Prophecy teachers’ that the toes and feet of iron and clay represent a selected ten (take your pick) kingdoms of Europe – with a final disposition of the Image occurring by a “stone cut out without hands” smiting its feet (Daniel 2:34,35).

Note: Byzantium excepted, the years since the fall of Rome, AD 476, number 1322 years (the terminus being AD 1798) or 1531 years (the terminus being the current year AD 2007), take your pick.

The ‘interpretation’ or explication afforded in Writ for Nebuchadnezzar’s Image dream seems to satisfactorily obtain – as (separately and corporately comprising) correspondingly proportionate relatives to the “metals” of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome.

That’s as far as it goes.

Unless, there is an latent or implied ‘gap’ or ‘intermission’ following AD 476, there is a – problem: there are, according to ‘Prophecy teachers’, 1322 years (or 1531) representing the feet of iron and miry clay [until their destruction by the stone cut without hands]. That scenario conjured by ‘interpretation’ is

Rube Goldbergesque.

Rather, Gd is Architect, Sculptor, Creator, and Potter..., able to depict with greater finesse – a timeline possessing, relatively, a Prophecy vehicle without the absurdity of feet that are proportionately - so much greater than the rest of its composition - or body.

LifeHiscost,

>>It is my understanding that the word, "forever", in the Bible often refers to the lifespan of something that ends with conditions extraordinary, such as the flames that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, which flames were reported to burn forever.<<

Well, yes, there is the semantical “forever” lending itself to exposition in varying directions – according to context and/or perception..., etc.

>>Obviously those flames ceased burning as soon as those cities were burned up.<<

As far as my senses are able to apprehend ‘reality’, I agree that there does not seem to be evidence of a continuing fire – further and apparently – consuming those cities. Moreover,

there are sufficient texts in Writ substantiating the premise that forever does not always imply eternal.

>>"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."
2 Peter 3:11,13 KJV NASB<<

Amongst the several things I’d note is – that space is a vacuum and sound needs atmosphere to carry either a roar or a great noise; therefore, on the face of it, the text seemingly addresses – condition, earth.

I think, also, that there is a seeming parallel found in

Deut 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. ... v24 [They shall be] burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.

and in the passage of Isaiah 66 preceding and following verse 22.

Taken together, the above sustains an understanding of a “new earth” featuring a qualitative dissolution (dissolved, in text, is: inherently – “...either the futuristic present or the process of dissolution presented”) rather than a destruction of substance. In other words,

the “new earth” is one in which “moral and natural imperfection have been purged” – AClarke (ed.jasd)

Isa 45:17 [But] Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Eph 3:21 Unto him [be] glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

"Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." Luke 23:34 KJV

Too deep for this simple servant. I'm of the opinion that salvation is not dependent, for the most part, on proper understanding of this point. However this does not preclude the reality that misunderstanding can bring much avoidable difficulty. Hope you'll include me in your prayers and then accept that the Lord's will be done.
Regards!