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#151131 - 01/09/08 05:51 AM Re: opinions despite loyalty to God [Re: Amelia]
cardw Registered: 02/22/02 Posts: 1438 Loc: CA	Quote: If there are high profile authors of atheism and many people claiming they are atheists; does that make atheism a religion? "A religion is a set of common beliefs and practices generally held by a group of people, often codified as prayer, ritual, and religious law. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and mystic experience. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction." Wikipedia There is only one "rule," and that is the rule of the definition of "atheism" - not having any belief in any gods. Other than that, atheists are free to do whatever they want and still be called atheists. An atheist can do and believe absolutely anything beyond gods and still fit the definition. Quite the opposite of how "rules" are treated in a religion. Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color. _________________________ Richard My Blog
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#151163 - 01/09/08 07:27 PM Re: opinions despite loyalty to God [Re: cardw]
D. Allan Panning for gold Registered: 08/28/00 Posts: 3883 Loc: les Etats-Unis d'Amerique	What would you call a person who does not believe in the God of conventional religion, does not think the Bible is the 'word' of God, but holds open the possibility that God exists in some manner, perhaps as an indefinable entity as much the creation of the mind as the mind is a creation of it? This is a necessariliy nebulous description ...
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#151169 - 01/09/08 10:29 PM Re: opinions despite loyalty to God [Re: D. Allan]
rudywoofs stumbling to the cross Registered: 07/16/05 Posts: 1979 Loc: in the mists of time	Originally Posted By: D. Allan What would you call a person who does not believe in the God of conventional religion, does not think the Bible is the 'word' of God, but holds open the possibility that God exists in some manner, perhaps as an indefinable entity as much the creation of the mind as the mind is a creation of it? This is a necessariliy nebulous description ... welcome to the wonderful world of paganism _________________________ Pam There is never panic in heaven. ~ Corrie ten Boom ~
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#151171 - 01/09/08 10:53 PM Re: opinions despite loyalty to God [Re: rudywoofs]
truthseeker007 Registered: 12/15/07 Posts: 284	haha rudywoofs said nearly exactly what i was thinking. I would call it deception;)
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#151178 - 01/10/08 12:24 AM Re: opinions despite loyalty to God [Re: D. Allan]
cardw Registered: 02/22/02 Posts: 1438 Loc: CA	Quote: What would you call a person who does not believe in the God of conventional religion, does not think the Bible is the 'word' of God, but holds open the possibility that God exists in some manner, perhaps as an indefinable entity as much the creation of the mind as the mind is a creation of it? This is a necessariliy nebulous description ... I'm taking this as a serious question. There are a few possible groups that may fit this particular description. Liberal Protestant - This would be those like Bishop John Shelby Spong Unitarian Universalist And simply Theist. As a side not Bishop Spong sent this out from a Priest who was choosing to leave the Church of England because of conscience. Quote: LEAVING HOME I'm off! I must leave the political and ethical compromises that have corrupted the faith of my Jesus. I must leave the stifling theology, the patriarchal structures. I must leave the enduring prejudices based on our God-given humanity, the colour of my skin, my gender or how my sexual orientation is practiced. I must leave the mentality that encourages anyone to think that our doctrines are unchangeable. I must leave the belief of those who insist that our sacred texts are without error. I must leave the God of miracle and magic. I must leave the promises of certainty, the illusion of possessing the true faith. I must leave behind the claims of being the recipient of an unchallengeable revelation. I must leave the neurotic religious desire to know that I am right, and to play at being God. I must leave the claim that every other pathway to God is second-rate, that fellow Hindu searchers in India, Buddhists in China and Tibet, Muslims in the Middle East and the Jews of Israel are inadequate. I must leave the pathway that tells me that all other directions will get me lost. I must leave the certain claim that my Jesus is the only way to God for everyone. I must leave the ultimate act of human folly that says it is. I must leave the Church, my home. I must leave behind my familiar creeds and faith-symbols. I can no longer stay in an unliveable place. I must move to a place where I can once again sing the Lord's song. I must move to where my faith-tradition can be revived and live on. I must move to a place where children don't tell me what I believe is unbelievable but tell me they can believe what I believe. I must move to a place where they are not playing at moving the deck chairs on the decks of an ecclesiastical Titanic. I can never leave the God experience. I can never walk away from the doorway into the divine that I believe I have found in the one I call the Christ and acknowledge as "my Lord." I must move to dangerous and religiously threatening places. I must move to where there is no theism, but still God. I'm off! But to where, God only knows. David Keighley, An English Anglican Priest _________________________ Richard My Blog
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#151242 - 01/10/08 10:26 AM Re: opinions despite loyalty to God [Re: D. Allan]
LifeHiscost Registered: 06/14/03 Posts: 4092 Loc: Western United States	Originally Posted By: D. Allan Don't let fear of an angry God smother your mind. God is love. IMHO the example of the sticks just goes to prove that God did not write nor inspire that rule. Moses, if you ask me is more likely to have been a witch than a 'man of God.' Stick with the New Testament, (but throw out 'Revelations.' $\:\)$ ) You'll be closer to God going that route. If we throw out all from the Holy Scripture that we don't think to reveal the God of the Scripture, then we make God in our image instead of letting the Scripture reveal the image of God. Are we suppose to change the Word of God to fit our narrow conception of His creation, or are we to let it(the Word) change us to the point where the Word reveals His love. "But He answered and said, "It is written, ' MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'" Matthew 4:4 NASB Enphasis theirs LHC Regards! _________________________ Lift Jesus up!!
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#151303 - 01/11/08 02:44 AM Re: opinions despite loyalty to God [Re: Norman]
carolaa Registered: 03/22/05 Posts: 1269 Loc: Texas	Originally Posted By: Norman Usually at the beginning of a ministry (bears killed children who mocked Elisha) or when God starts a movement. That's a really interesting point I hadn't thought of before. Thanks.
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#151305 - 01/11/08 02:47 AM Re: opinions despite loyalty to God [Re: D. Allan]
carolaa Registered: 03/22/05 Posts: 1269 Loc: Texas	Originally Posted By: D. Allan IMHO the example of the sticks just goes to prove that God did not write nor inspire that rule. Moses, if you ask me is more likely to have been a witch than a 'man of God.' Stick with the New Testament Say what?!!
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#151314 - 01/11/08 03:56 AM Re: opinions despite loyalty to God [Re: carolaa]
David Koot Craftsman Registered: 03/13/06 Posts: 3513 Loc: N38d14.516m, W122d37.982m	My dear carolaa . . . I understand your surprise. We simply recognize that not everyone believes in the inerrancy or Divine inspiration of all Scripture. I do, and I have not the slightest doubt but that God Himself did give the Mosaic law to Moses, for His people. It is called the Mosaic law because Moses wrote it, but he wrote what God gave him in the mount. The fact that we do not understand some features of that law, certainly does not take away from its inspiration or its validity. We simply were not there, and we do not see all that God saw at the time. At the same time, if a person is looking for reasons to doubt or dispute such, God has given lots of freedom and room for one to do so. Dave
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#151315 - 01/11/08 03:59 AM Re: opinions despite loyalty to God [Re: carolaa]
Stan Jensen Carpe Diem!!! Registered: 09/15/06 Posts: 3654 Loc: 49.05° Lat- 122.3° Long	Richard Would be interested on your thoughts on this.. http://lifedevelopment.ca/ Honest ones, PM me if you want... _________________________ Jeremiah 9:23 This is what the LORD says: "Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches, but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD .
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