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#155215 - 02/04/08 06:04 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Nightingale]
Planey Offline


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Loc: NSW Australia
 Originally Posted By: Nightingale

Ellen White is not the one we need to follow. Jesus is


True. And we know that Jesus ate both fish and lamb, at least...

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#155240 - 02/04/08 09:52 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Planey]
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I don't think EGW says that no one will be saved if they eat meat. However, read about how the Jews were to prepare the meat they ate. I doubt most would be interested in eating it today if it is prepared the kosher way. Other than the "unclean" meats, eating meat is mainly a major health issue.
Meat is far more diseased today than it was in Jesus time. The truth is that most of these things are widely known and it is simply a matter of what people make a priority in their lives.
If most of us spent half as much time really praying that God will show us the truth regarding what He desires for our lives
and not so much time looking for ways to defend our desires
we would be much happier.
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#155254 - 02/04/08 03:10 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Nightingale]
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Counsels on Diet and Foods, p.380-381"Among this who are waiting for the coming of the Lord, meat eating will eventually be done away;flesh will cease to be a part of their diet. We should ever keep this end in view, and endeavor to work steadily toward it. I cannot think that in the practice of flesh eating we are in harmony with the light which God has been pleased to give us...................."

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#155282 - 02/04/08 08:11 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Nightingale]
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 Originally Posted By: Nightingale
Redwood, Here is a quote to answer your question regarding EGW and meat eating. "But since the Lord presented to me ,in June, 1863, the subject of meat eating in relation to health, I have left the use of meat. For a while it was rather difficult to bring my appetite to bread, for which, formerly, I have had but little relish. But by perserving. I have been able to do this. I have lived for nearly one year without meat." Written in August 1864. Do you agree that truth is progressive? This was entirely new truth to people in that time.


The following would contradict this progressive idea ... So, I still need a date that she stopped eating meat.

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In 1878 we find Sister White enjoying some venison for Christmas..."I suppose you will be interested to know how we spent Christmas... Christmas morning we all took breakfast together--James Cornell; Florence and Clara, their two girls; Brother and Sister Moore and their three children; Sister Bahler and Etta, a girl living with them; and Sister Daniells, our cook, Father, and myself. We had a quarter of venison cooked, and stuffing. It was as tender as a chicken. We all enjoyed it very much. There is plenty of venison in market." Manuscript Releases Vol. 14, p. 318-319, written December 26, 1878, from Denison, Texas


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In 1876 she wrote her husband: “We have not had a particle of meat in the house since you left and long before you left. We have had salmon a few times. It has been rather high [in price].” Letter 13, 1876, cited in MR, vol. 14, p. 336.


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"In 1873 while on a working vacation high in the Rocky Mountains,... . Willie went to the lake for water. We heard his gun and found he had shot two ducks. This is really a blessing, for we need something to live upon.”Manuscript 12, 1873, cited in MR, vol. 7, p. 346


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"Thursday morning we arose from our births refreshed with sleep. At eight o'clock we took a portion of the pressed chicken food liberally furnished us by the matron of the sanitarium, put the same in a two-quart pail, and placed it on the stove, and thus we had good hot chicken broth and enjoyed our breakfast. The morning was very cold and this hot dish was very palatable. ... We have plenty of room, good food and plenty of it. Sister McComber scalded up the chicken. Will scald the meat tomorrow morning." Letter 6a, 1880. Published in Manuscript Releases, Vol. 11, pp. 142, 147


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In 1882 she said ... "Mary, if you can get me a good box of herrings - fresh ones - please do so. These last ones that Willie got are bitter and old. If you can buy cans, say (a) half dozen cans of good tomatoes, please do so. We shall need them. If you can get a few cans of good oysters, get them." Letter 16, 1882, dated May 31, 1882, from Healdsburg, California. Also found in MR852 - Manuscript Release No. 852


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In poverty-stricken Australia during the mid-1890s, she recognized that fish would be an appropriate part of the diet of the workmen who were building Avondale College. In a letter to her son Willie, she wrote: “We cannot feed them all, but will you please get us dried codfish and dried fish of any description—nothing canned? This will give a good relish to the food.” Letter 149, 1895


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"Two years ago [1894] I came to the conclusion that there was danger in using the flesh of dead animals, and since then I have not used meat at all. It is never placed on my table. I use fish when I can get it. We can get beautiful fish from the saltwater lake near here. I use neither tea nor coffee. As I labor against these things, I cannot but practice that which I know to be best for health, and my family are all in perfect harmony with me. You see, my dear niece, that I am telling you matters just as they are." Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, p. 330; Letter 128, 1896


"The light God has given on health reform is for our salvation and the salvation of the world." C.D. 461

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"No man should be set apart as a teacher of the people while his own teaching or example contradicts the testimony God has given His servants to bear in regard to diet, for this will bring confusion. His disregard of health reform unfits him to stand as the Lord's messenger." {6T 378.1}


Still needing a date to go by when she stopped eating meat.
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#155330 - 02/05/08 12:10 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Nightingale]
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On 3ABN there is a program called "the keepers of the flame" and they showed on one of the segments that EGW did have a bit of a problem giving up meat.

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#155338 - 02/05/08 12:48 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: pkrause]
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I think I've seen that show also.

But it didn't stop her from condemning it ...

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"You place upon your tables butter, eggs, and meat and then your children partake of them. They are fed with the very things that will excite their animal passions, and then you come to meeting and ask God to bless and save your children. How high do your prayers go?" Testimonies, Vol. 2, p. 362, 1870.
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#155453 - 02/05/08 02:14 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Redwood]
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Thank you Redwood, I am glad that you are giving a fair representation of the facts. I believe that in many groups of minorities there are people who refuse to open themselves for criticism. To me, Ellen White is like a wall to Christ because no matter how hard i ll try i ll never succeed in following Ellen perfectly. Furthermore i am not a robot but a free thinker. Following statements are mind boggling:

"There is one straight chain of truth without one heretical
sentence in that which I have written."

How can you say such a thing when you borrow from other writers if those writers were not directed by God and were therefore very likely to make some mistakes.

Compare this one:
Christian Experience of W. E. Foy
“I then see countless millions of shining ones coming with cards held in their hands. These shining ones became our guides. The cards, they bore shone above the brightness of the sun; and they placed them in our hands but the names of them I could not read.

Christian Experience of E.G.W. 1846
“‘All the angels that are commissioned to visit the earth hold a golden card which they present to the angels at the gates of the city as we pass in and out. Evangelism, p. 39

This guy Foy was also a prophet in her time. Does anyone have information of who he is??He remains unknown but i think it is very interesting to find out what he stood for.

I am not trying to discredit Ellen White and i think it is very important to have pillars of truths in deceptive times like these, but i have to be critical and open for all explanations.

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#155478 - 02/05/08 06:00 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: truthseeker007]
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Depend on the Bible ... Seeker.

If you don't appreciate Ellen White as a commentator of the Bible ... then find another commentator or just rely solely on the Bible.

There are many authors that I like to quote such as Phillip Yancey and Tim Hansel . They aren't SDAs and I do not promote all of their beliefs ... but that does not mean that I should not quote them. I am sure EGW was the same. She was inspired to quote or use some authors. It does not mean that she endorsed all that they said or the life they lived.

The same should be true with Ellen White. We should not believe in all she said. Neither should we look at the life she lived. Both are faulty. We can be blessed by the good she said and throw out the rest.
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#155667 - 02/07/08 01:06 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Redwood]
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Posts: 118
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Ellen White told others to be perfectly obedient, to abstain from certain foods etc etc. But she made all the human mistakes a normal person makes. She ate meat etc etc

My understanding was that it was not a mistake. She purposely ate meat when other good food wasn't available.

Also she nor the bible has ever said it was a sin to eat meat. We will not be judged on whether we eat meat or not but on our attitude towards health reform.

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#155668 - 02/07/08 01:10 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Male Man]
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She purposely ate meat when other good food wasn't available.


Simply not the case. She ate meat most of her life and it wasn't because other food was not avaliable. Sitting down to Christmas dinner ... meat was what she desired. See the above quotes.
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