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#162315 - 03/21/08 03:38 PM Dinosuar Dakota
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Well, our dinosaur friend is back in the news.

Workers uncovering mummified dinosaur

Using tiny brushes and chisels, workers picking at a big greenish-black rock in the basement of North Dakota's state museum are meticulously uncovering something amazing: a nearly complete dinosaur, skin and all.

Unlike almost every other dinosaur fossil ever found, the Edmontosaurus named Dakota, a duckbilled dinosaur unearthed in southwestern North Dakota in 2004, is covered by fossilized skin that is hard as iron. It's among just a few mummified dinosaurs in the world, say the researchers who are slowly freeing it from a 65-million-year-old rock tomb.

Dino Age Is Only Skin Deep

So why the date of 65 (or 67) million years?2 Hoganson explained, “[The Badlands are] one of the few places in the world where you can actually see the boundary line where the dinosaurs became extinct, the time boundary. In the Badlands, this layer is exposed in certain places.” Hoganson is referring to the K–T extinction boundary, which allegedly divides the Cretaceous Period from the Tertiary Period in the fossil record and marks the extinction of the dinosaurs. Thus, the team must date the find as at least 65 million years old—despite any evidence otherwise—just so it lines up with evolutionary theory and the uniformitarian understanding of the fossil record.

That said, we find a few flaws in assigning this date to Dakota—and it’s important to remember that that’s what scientists do: assign dates based on circumstantial evidence. Fossils don’t come stamped with exact dates!3

The scientists explain how Dakota must have been “buried rapidly.” That is exactly the explanation creation scientists give, but we have a clear, global explanation for the millions of fossils we have, which are time and time again shown to have been buried rapidly and catastrophically: the Flood of Noah’s day, which unleashed catastrophes worldwide and covered the world in water for a year. Starting from this viewpoint, we can make sense of these many fossils buried rapidly and recently—just a few thousand years ago.

Ultimately, this news shows us once again that science is beholden to one’s worldview. In this case, as in many, the old ages required by the fossil record—which are in turn required by the time line evolutionary theory needs—dictate the dating of the fossil. Starting from Scripture, we have the answers that explain why we find millions of fossils laid down catastrophically in rock layers all over the earth: the global Flood that the Bible describes.

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#162387 - 03/22/08 03:37 AM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Shane]
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I maintain that it cannot be mummified if it is as hard as iron.

AND, why are so many dino fossils amassed in one area of North Dakota? Was that the drain of north America? Dinos getting stuck in the muck as the water circled down the pipe?
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#162507 - 03/22/08 07:30 PM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Amelia]
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Perhaps the soil is better for preservation like in some parts of western Canada.

Doesn't Sister Ellen tell that closer to the end of time that there will be 'finds' that point to Him?
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#162548 - 03/22/08 10:42 PM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: ChildofChrist]
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Map of the U.S. area during the "Age of the Dinosaurs"



Was North Dakota a shallow sea?
<<The Cretaceous Period marked the last extensive covering of the North American continent by the sea. Since then, sea level has dropped and the continent has gradually emerged to its present size and shape.>> wikipedia.

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#162553 - 03/22/08 11:23 PM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: D. Allan]
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Notice how the upper right could pass for an Easter Bunny?

AND it is easter weekend..

Coincidence? Don't think so..

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#162577 - 03/23/08 01:11 AM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Stan Jensen]
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And it is looking toward Jerusalem. How about that!

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#162579 - 03/23/08 01:23 AM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: D. Allan]
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While they call it a dino mummy, the dinosaur is not really preserved like mummies such as King Tut were. The dinosaur body is fossilized into stone. Unlike the collections of bones found in museums, this hadrosaur came complete with skin, ligaments, tendons and possibly some internal organs, according to researchers who performed a high-tech autopsy.
- http://hitsusa.com/blog/363/dakota-dinosaur-mummy/ (pictures to be found there too)

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#162592 - 03/23/08 04:31 AM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Stan Jensen]
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Biblically, the map is more likely reflective of the period after the Flood and just before the Ice Age. The "Age of The Dinosaurs" was, for the most part, prior to the Flood. Some may have went on the ark but it isn't likely they lived through the Ice Age.
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#162637 - 03/23/08 04:44 PM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Shane]
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Northern hemisphere glaciation during the last ice ages.[11,000 years ago] The set up of 3 to 4 km thick ice sheets caused a sea level lowering of about 120 m. -wikipedia


This is a different topic, I know, but interesting.


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#162964 - 03/26/08 04:24 AM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Shane]
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Originally Posted By: Shane
Biblically, the map is more likely reflective of the period after the Flood and just before the Ice Age. The "Age of The Dinosaurs" was, for the most part, prior to the Flood. Some may have went on the ark but it isn't likely they lived through the Ice Age.


So if the ice age was after the flood, how did Noah etal survive and not the dinos?
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#162993 - 03/26/08 10:17 AM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Amelia]
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Originally Posted By: Amelia

So if the ice age was after the flood, how did Noah etal survive and not the dinos?


This is a good question.

Obviously large dinosaurs (carnivorous or herbivorous) would have been under some sort of survival pressure due to a shortage of food and the Ice Age(s) could have tipped the balance for them.

Smaller animals (including mammals such as Noah) may have found it easier to survive, not having such high intake required. And Noah (and descendants) had the advantage of a higher order of intelligence to help in their struggle.

We observe that many fossils are found of smaller dinosaurs, down to the size of chickens and smaller. Why did these reptiles become extinct and yet similar size mammals (with similar sized appetites) survived, even thrived?

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#163028 - 03/26/08 03:50 PM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Planey]
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Since Noah lived for 350yrs after the flood, why isnt there a biblical accounting of the ice age? And he certainly wouldn't have been able to plant a vinyard in the freezing temps of an ice age.
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#163045 - 03/26/08 08:20 PM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Amelia]
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And I guess, while we're on it, an Ice Age 11,000 years ago is well outside the age most recent creationists give for the earth of 6-10,000 years.
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#163229 - 03/28/08 04:10 AM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Amelia]
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Since Noah lived for 350yrs after the flood, why isn't there a biblical accounting of the ice age?


The ark rested on Ararat which is in modern-day Turkey, well south of where the glaciers were during the Ice Age.

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And he certainly wouldn't have been able to plant a vinyard in the freezing temps of an ice age.


Certainly not if he had been living in northern Europe.
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#163232 - 03/28/08 04:16 AM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Planey]
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Why did these reptiles become extinct and yet similar size mammals (with similar sized appetites) survived, even thrived?


I don't think dinosaurs were reptiles. Dinosaurs have both vesicles and growth lines in their bones. Mammals have vesicles and reptiles have growth lines. No animal that exists today has both. Being a cold-blooded animal, dinosaurs may have been most susceptible to the climate change. Some type of disease could have wiped out the small population that survived the Flood.
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#163233 - 03/28/08 04:17 AM Re: Dinosuar Dakota [Re: Bravus]
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an Ice Age 11,000 years ago is well outside the age most recent creationists give for the earth of 6-10,000 years.


Dating the Ice Age back 11,000 years is based on uniformatarian assumptions that creationists do not accept.
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