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#162619 - 03/23/08 11:54 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day ***** [Re: John317]
Robert Offline


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 Originally Posted By: John317
Rev. 14: 7 makes a clear connection by quoting Exodus 20: 11 and then calls upon us to worship God.


You are adding to Ex 20:11 by your use of Rev 14:7. Again, it's not about worship. There's nothing in the 4th commandment stating that folks should worship on Saturday. So the argument between various groups as to which day is the correct day to worship on is a moot point.
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#162623 - 03/23/08 02:52 PM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Robert]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert
 Originally Posted By: John317
Rev. 14: 7 makes a clear connection by quoting Exodus 20: 11 and then calls upon us to worship God.


You are adding to Ex 20:11 by your use of Rev 14:7. Again, it's not about worship. There's nothing in the 4th commandment stating that folks should worship on Saturday. So the argument between various groups as to which day is the correct day to worship on is a moot point.


If the Creator did not sanctify and bless it for a day of worship, what was the whole purpose of it?


Gerry

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#162625 - 03/23/08 03:10 PM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo
 Originally Posted By: Robert
 Originally Posted By: John317
Rev. 14: 7 makes a clear connection by quoting Exodus 20: 11 and then calls upon us to worship God.


You are adding to Ex 20:11 by your use of Rev 14:7. Again, it's not about worship. There's nothing in the 4th commandment stating that folks should worship on Saturday. So the argument between various groups as to which day is the correct day to worship on is a moot point.


If the Creator did not sanctify and bless it for a day of worship, what was the whole purpose of it?


Gerry


The fact is that the 4th commandment contains no command to worship on the 7th day:

Ex 20:8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 “Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work...[Why rest - not work?] 11 “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."

So, why rest? Because God rested from His perfect and complete work!

However there is a difference between our rest and His rest. According to the text our rest is weekly. His rest was once and final. By that I mean He didn't start creating on the 8th day (the Sunday after that 1st, 7th day). His work was finished - it was complete. He entered a perpetual rest until sin entered the world. That, however, is another subject.

Rob
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#162663 - 03/23/08 07:09 PM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Robert]
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Are you saying that the God of heaven set the 7th apart and made it a blessed day only for rest?

If the Israelites did not understand it as not only a day of rest but also of worship, where do you think they got the idea to make it a day of worship?

Gerry

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#162671 - 03/23/08 07:55 PM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo
Are you saying that the God of heaven set the 7th apart and made it a blessed day only for rest?


That's the context within the law itself!

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If the Israelites did not understand it as not only a day of rest but also of worship, where do you think they got the idea to make it a day of worship?
Not from the moral law, which by the way, is the context.
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#162672 - 03/23/08 08:08 PM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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In light of the NT Sabbath keeping becomes the seal of righteousness by faith.
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#162695 - 03/24/08 01:16 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Robert]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert
 Originally Posted By: John317
Rev. 14: 7 makes a clear connection by quoting Exodus 20: 11 and then calls upon us to worship God.


You are adding to Ex 20:11 by your use of Rev 14:7. Again, it's not about worship. There's nothing in the 4th commandment stating that folks should worship on Saturday. So the argument between various groups as to which day is the correct day to worship on is a moot point.


"For as the new heavens and the new earth which I make shall remain before Me, says the Lord, so shall your offspring and your name remain.

And it shall be that from one New Moon to another New Moon and from one Sabbath to another Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me, says the Lord" (Is. 66: 22. 23).

Leviticus 23: 3:

"Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, a holy convocation or assembly by summons. You shall do no work on that day; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings" (Amplified).

".... but the seventh day is... a time for worship...." (The Bible In Basic English).

"The Seventh-day is a day of worship, a day when you don't work, a holy assembly" (God's Word).

"On that day [the seventh day Sabbath] do not work, but gather for worship" (Good News Bible).

“You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of complete rest, an official day for holy assembly. It is the Lord’s Sabbath day, and it must be observed wherever you live" (New Living Translation).

"You have six days when you can do your work, but the seventh day of each week is holy because it belongs to me. No matter where you live, you must rest on the Sabbath and come together for worship." (Contemporary English Version).

Most modern translations, such as the Christian Standard Bible and the Revised English Bible, and many more, translate Lev. 23: 3 as calling for a "a sacred assembly" on the seventh day Sabbath. This, of course, is a time for worship, just as the Bible in Basic English and others read.

Jesus, who made the Sabbath and gave humanity the Ten Commandments, knew what it was for, and Luke 4: 16 tells us that He was usually to be found worshipping God in the synagogue every Sabbath.

Ellen White wrote, "He [God] designed that upon that day [the holy Sabbath] man should worship Him and engage in no secular pursuits" (4 T 247).

"The Sabbath is not intended to be a period of useless inactivity. The law forbids secular labor on the rest day of the Lord; the toil that gains a livelihood must cease; no labor for worldly pleasure or profit is lawful upon that day; but as God ceased His labor of creating, and rested upon the Sabbath and blessed it, so man is to leave the occupations of his daily life, and devote those sacred hours to healthful rest, to worship, and to holy deeds" (DA 207).





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#162702 - 03/24/08 01:53 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Robert]
John317 Moderator Offline


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 Originally Posted By: Robert
In light of the NT Sabbath keeping becomes the seal of righteousness by faith.


Jesus and the apostles did not reveal something about the Sabbath-- i.e., its being the seal of the righteousness by faith--that was not true before the time of Christ.

He simply revealed things that people could not see because of spiritual blindness, but not because it was not true or because they could not possibly have known this before. They did not see it because, as Paul explains in 2 Cor. 3, their minds were hardened or closed. Remember that God told them clearly that the Sabbath was a sign that Yahweh was the One who sanctifies them, or makes them holy like Himself.


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#162716 - 03/24/08 03:39 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: John317]
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 Originally Posted By: John317
And it shall be that from one New Moon to another New Moon and from one Sabbath to another Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me, says the Lord" (Is. 66: 22. 23).


This is future and it doesn't negate what is stated in the moral law. Clearly the moral law links rest (not worship) to God's perfect creation.

 Quote:
Amplified, The Bible In Basic English, God's Word, Good News Bible, New Living Translation, Contemporary English Version,
I can make up my own Bible too....

 Quote:
Ellen White wrote


Not an authority!

Anyway, back to a solid translation:

8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 “Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. [The New American Standard Bible]
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#162718 - 03/24/08 03:45 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: John317]
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 Originally Posted By: John317
 Originally Posted By: Robert
In light of the NT Sabbath keeping becomes the seal of righteousness by faith.


Jesus and the apostles did not reveal something about the Sabbath-- i.e., its being the seal of the righteousness by faith--that was not true before the time of Christ.


The only reason for NT Sabbath observance is found in Hebrews chapter 4. Other than that there's no clear connection....

Paul, in Hebrews 4, links the Sabbath to a sign of "entering His rest" (the gospel). That's the only legitimate reason....
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