If you look at Ex 31:12-17 & Eze 20:12,20, the same seal/sign applied to the OT believers. What better visible sign for believers to have to show the world their allegiance and complete dependence on God for their righteousness than to worship Him on the day He made holy, set apart for holy use, and blessed?

Gerry

If God saw a need for the Sabbath for Adam & Eve before they sinned while they could still commune and worship Him face to face, how much more did they need the Sabbath after they sinned and could no longer see Him face to face? If sinless A & E needed a weekly reminder and worship session with their maker, how much more does forgetful sinful man need it? So it makes even MORE sense!

There are ex-SDA's who are expending a lot of energy and resources trying to negate the Sabbath while the majority of Americans and probably true of most of the western world as well, suffer from inadequate sleep and rest! That makes NO sense!

Gerry

[quote=Robert]



The Fall occurred in this way: God told Adam that he could have the fruit from every tree in the garden except one. God commanded Adam not to eat from that tree, and he said that on the day he ate of it, he would begin to die.

Adam and Eve did not understand anything except that God told them not to eat of the tree. They didn't know why God chose that particular tree. Was that "blind obedience"? Did they understand why God picked that one tree out of all the thousands and said they couldn't eat of it?

What was the purpose of God's commandment? Did God give the commandment in order to see if Adam and Eve had good comprehension and would agree with His reasoning?

Or was the command given in order to test their loyalty to Him?





Is it obedience, if we wait until we understand everything about God's command and agree with it, before we obey the command? In other words, should we say, "I know God has commanded thus-and-so, but until I understand why he's given this command, and agree that it is reasonable or fair, I refuse to obey it"?





Therefore, in eternity, if you know that God has commanded something, you will say, "I want to know the reason," and you will demand to know the reason, before you submit to God's will and obey?

So, until you know the reason, and agree with God, you are not going to obey Him?

If a parent gives a command to his child, is the child obeying if he won't obey until he understands why the parent has given the command?





Would Adam and Eve have been practicing "legalism" if they had obeyed God's commandment?

If Adam and Eve had obeyed God about not eating from the tree in the garden, would that have been "obeying just to obey"?

What were the consequences for everyone of their refusal to obey a command that they did not fully understand? Was it important that they understand why God chose that particular tree? Did God tell them that they first needed to understand why the command was given and that needed to agree with it?

the WorldNetDaily.com does this so often, they are overstating this as a war to get attention.

It is one mans opinion and one person's response...

Nothing more than yellow paper journalism with a zillion followers...

The would do well, and be so accepted on advent talk.

Supposition! You are making church attendance the Savior. More legalism! We should worship God daily. So many Adventists act like a heathen during the week and then on Sabbath put their holy face on. So much hypocrisy and in many ways just like the Jews.

Show me where God gave Adam & Eve the Sabbath! BTW, you have drifted from the context of Ex 20:11....Typical!

Gen 1:31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day. Chapter 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

I can't find where God gave it to Adam & Eve. Do you see it above?

This isn't obedience like obeying the law. This was more of a warning....Do you look at everything from the "rule" perspective?



You tell me John:

"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" [Matt 5:48]

But seek his kingdom, and these things [context: food & clothing] will be given to you as well. Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions and give to the poor. [Luke 12:31-33]

I'll tell you what you are going to do: You're going to question if this command from Christ means you....Your going to question this command, but you don't want me to question YOUR view of the Sabbath & worship!

Two can play this game, John....

"Seek and ye shall find." Jesus.

There is none so blind as one who will not see.

The same Jesus who created Adam & Eve, said: "The Sabbath was made for MAN!" If the Sabbath was not meant for them and their descendants, for whom did the Creator sanctify and bless it?

You talk about context as though Ex 20:8-11 or Gen 2 are somehow totally isolated from the rest of Scripture! While there were many who authored the Bible, let me remind you that there was ONE SPIRIT that inspired it all.

Gerry

Hmmmmmm. Did I strike a nerve about church attendance? Check your Bible. Everyone who will be in the kingdom will be there because he/she WORSHIPS God! That's NOT optional!

Gerry

Sounds like we're drifting again to Robert's gospel of poverty. Hmmmmmmmm.

Gerry