#162955 - 03/26/08 03:27 AM
Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day
[Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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Hmmmmmm. Did I strike a nerve about church attendance? Check your Bible. Everyone who will be in the kingdom will be there because he/she WORSHIPS God! That's NOT optional! Gerry "I'm God, worship Me or I'll keep you out of the kingdom". Is this what God would demand or is what Satan demands? God does not have an ego, Gerry. He takes us where we are at. Any response from us is out of a faith appreciation.... Rob
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#162957 - 03/26/08 03:35 AM
Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day
[Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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God commanded Adam not to eat from that tree, and he said that on the day he ate of it, he would begin to die. This isn't obedience like obeying the law. This was more of a warning....Do you look at everything from the "rule" perspective? In other words, should we say, "I know God has commanded thus-and-so, but until I understand why he's given this command, and agree that it is reasonable or fair, I refuse to obey it"? You tell me John: "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" [Matt 5:48] But seek his kingdom, and these things [context: food & clothing] will be given to you as well. Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions and give to the poor. [Luke 12:31-33] I'll tell you what you are going to do: You're going to question if this command from Christ means you....Your going to question this command, but you don't want me to question YOUR view of the Sabbath & worship! Two can play this game, John....
Sounds like we're drifting again to Robert's gospel of poverty. Hmmmmmmmm.Gerry Gerry, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. Agape has no self-seeking in it! Self-seeking is the fulfillment of sin. Agape is the fulfillment of the law. You got your wealth through self-love. John stated that I need to take God's commands just as they are....I shouldn't reason - I shouldn't ask questions...I should just obey. Well, don't just obey the Sabbath command - obey all the other commands. That's why Paul, in speaking to the legalists, said: "Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”
Edited by Robert (03/26/08 03:39 AM)
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#162963 - 03/26/08 04:09 AM
Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day
[Re: Robert]
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God commanded Adam not to eat from that tree, and he said that on the day he ate of it, he would begin to die. This isn't obedience like obeying the law. This was more of a warning....Do you look at everything from the "rule" perspective? Did God give a command to Adam at that time or not? It was a command, not a "warning" as you claim. Gen. 2: 16, "And the Lord God commanded the man, sayng...." So God "commanded" that Adam and Eve not eat the fruit from a particular tree. Do you see that? It does not say God warned Adam or that God suggested, but God commanded. Adam and Eve disobeyed a direct command of God, did they not? In Genesis 3: 11, God reminds Adam that He did indeed give Adam a " command" not to eat of the tree. Again in Genesis 3: 17, God repeats that He " commanded" Adam not to eat of the tree. Compare Ge. 3: 1 where we are given Satan's decription of God's "command". Satan does not call it a "command" but something that God merely "said."
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#162995 - 03/26/08 10:25 AM
Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day
[Re: Robert]
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Gerry, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking.
Allow me to extrapolate on this statement: Job, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. David, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. Abraham, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. Joseph, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. Solomon, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. Joseph of Arimathea, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. I have probably missed lots of men whom God blessed here, but you get the message. Graeme
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#162997 - 03/26/08 11:26 AM
Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day
[Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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Sounds like we're drifting again to Robert's gospel of poverty. Hmmmmmmmm.[/color]
Gerry
Righteousness by indigence? Never heard of that one... God has called us men to work (Genesis 3:17-19; Psalm 90:17; 104:23; Proverbs 18:9; 21:8; i Thess. 4:11). The field of the slothful is paved with thorns. oG
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#162998 - 03/26/08 11:31 AM
Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day
[Re: John317]
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God commanded Adam not to eat from that tree, and he said that on the day he ate of it, he would begin to die. This isn't obedience like obeying the law. This was more of a warning....Do you look at everything from the "rule" perspective? Did God give a command to Adam at that time or not? It was a command, not a "warning" as you claim. Gen. 2: 16, "And the Lord God commanded the man, sayng...." Okay...but God told the man, not Eve. You can assume Adam told Eve, but the context doesn't state that. Again, there are other commands throughout the Bible. I gave you two examples. You reject them and therefore, using your own example, you are ignoring these commands. Why? You question if God really meant what He said.
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#163002 - 03/26/08 11:47 AM
Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day
[Re: olger]
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Sounds like we're drifting again to Robert's gospel of poverty. Hmmmmmmmm.[/color]
Gerry
Righteousness by indigence? Never heard of that one... God has called us men to work (Genesis 3:17-19; Psalm 90:17; 104:23; Proverbs 18:9; 21:8; i Thess. 4:11). The field of the slothful is paved with thorns. oG Jesus worked....He eat...He had clothing, but He lived for others. Remember what Paul stated? "If you have food and clothing with this be content." We are selfish.....Hence, even thought there's growth in our lives, technically speaking there is none righteous, not even one!
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#163003 - 03/26/08 11:51 AM
Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day
[Re: Planey]
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Gerry, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking.
Allow me to extrapolate on this statement: Job, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. David, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. Abraham, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. Joseph, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. Solomon, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. Joseph of Arimathea, you are rich because you have followed Satan's principle of self-seeking. I have probably missed lots of men whom God blessed here, but you get the message. Graeme God blesses with life and health. Man then take that blessing and use it for their gain.....Yes, all the above were self-seeking in some way. You too!
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