(is the following just wierd or...?)

Mars approaching:

Mars, which is known as the "angry red planet" and ancient "god of war", is making a lot of spiritual waves in the world of astrology. Meanwhile, Red China is trying to prepare for the 2008 Olympics, which are to be hosted in that Communist country. The San Jose Mercury News reported that the government of China is "drawing on decades of Communist Party discipline in preparation for the Olympics." (33) The lighting of the cauldron, which signals the beginning of the games is to take place in Beijing at exactly 8:08 P.M., August 8, 2008. (34) In the astrology of witchcraft, the number eight is the number of the sign of the scorpion. It appears in the fifth month of the zodiac with five months left in our calendar year. In Revelation 9:10-11, we read of a strange army that rises up as follows: "And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

33. Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Sep. 3, 2007, by John Boudreau, Beijing, China.
34. Ibid.

JASD

WELL I would say just wierd

in 2006 on the 6th of JUNE( which is the 6th month )
a lot of christians made a big deal over this date
of time saying this was end of the world.
then in 1999 again alot of chrsitians ( as well as others ) make a big deal about this date of time also sayig the end
of the world is at hand.

so not to make you feel bad, but this has been going on
since ADAM AND EVE fell into sin. any date can apply as
well as an event.

so I SAY it is just wierd

dgrimm60

>>...then in 1999 again alot of chrsitians ( as well as others ) make a big deal about this date of time also sayig the end
of the world is at hand.<<

I don’t really recall much in the way of “The End is Here!” But I do recall a brouhaha regards the possibility that our ‘puter system would default. Yikes.

>>since ADAM AND EVE fell into sin. any date can apply as
well as an event.

so I SAY it is just weird<<

Yes, more recently than Adam and Eve – it were the Apostles who looked for the near-appearing of Jesus Christ; so, exactly,

“It is weird”.

But also ‘more exactly’, just how weird? and why?

I mean, why the specificity of 8:08 PM? (actually, the Olympic Games are scheduled to open at 8:08:08 PM on 8/8/08)

And why was it desired to interweave eights with an International event that occurs only every other Leap Year? (the multiple number of eights represent fortune/wealth)

“dark sentences...”

1.22

>>In the astrology of witchcraft, the number eight is the number of the sign of the scorpion.<<

I know that the Bible does not condone 'astrology' per se, that is, in its 'divining' aspect; but, does it not utilize a form of astrology? or might we be more correct in saying 'Zodiacal'?

And what's with the Bible's use of numbers? a form of numerology? I mean,

what's with the threes, the sixes, sevens, tens, twelves, twenty-fours, etc?

Is there an element of truth in the secular/profane incorporation of the Biblical models?

I may have been mistaken to have used the forward slash in the above fortune/wealth as - fortune does not necessarily denote wealth, but includes such as 'good' fortune: lucky-lucky, as it were.

JASD

IN WORLD WAR II the jews throught the end of
the world was happening. like I said any date
any event people will claim that this event
is the end of the world.
yes numbers do play and important part of the
bible the numbers 3 and numbers 7 are very important
but that does not mean that we have to turn to
other sources out side the bible to show proof of
how GOD operates.
a study was show me serveral years ago (maybe 10 to 15)
that the planets have moved and they are not lined up to
the months as most people think.
so when you say a certain sign is linked to a
certain month people are off here.

besides why would GOD have to lets his people know
about end time events out side of HIS WORD????

as for as the disciples looking for his soon return
yes I am sure they were looking but when ADAM and EVE
had there 1st son they wondering if this was the one who
would deliver them. SO even since mankind has been
seperated from GOD they all have been looking for JESUS
to return.

again not to make you feel bad but this
date and time is not that important.

dgrimm60

>>IN WORLD WAR II the jews throught the end of
the world was happening.<<

I’d qualify the above to those Jews who would not or could not leave for – other places. Many saw the ‘writing on the wall’ sold out before it was too late and emigrated. I suppose they proved the axiom that when things get down to the wire one should be

the first to leave town, get lost, and stay lost.

>>like I said any date
any event people will claim that this event
is the end of the world.<<

As per the end of the world: I’m not one who believes in “the end of the world”; neither, I believe, does the Bible forward such a thing. “End of Ages” perhaps – even ‘recreation’, but end of the world? ...don’t think so.

>>yes numbers do play and important part of the
bible the numbers 3 and numbers 7 are very important<<

Per the number seven, et cetera..., it was used in ancient astrology to signify Earth as the seven-pointed star, Mars was denoted by the six-pointed star, Venus by the eight-pointed star, etc. Seems the Ancients numbered the planets from the farthest planet from the Sun inward, rather than numbering them from the planet nearest the Sun outward, as is presently done. (on another tier level Neptune, the third planet ‘inbound’, is represented by the three-pronged trident; Saturn, by the four extensions of the cross, etc)

Staying with the number eight (notwithstanding the significance of eight in the 'astrology of witchcraft'), or the 8:08:08 – 8.08.08 per the preceding posts – Venus, was identified with Lucifer the light-bringer/bearer {Biblically, also, The Red Dragon}) and was/is signified by the number eight. Weird? or weirder?

>>but that does not mean that we have to turn to
other sources out side the bible to show proof of
how GOD operates.<<

No, one is perfectly justified relying on Writ; however, the above quote seems to presume or suppose that Gd does not use Zodiacal astrology in the Bible – to teach. (note: the prophecy of the Four Beasts of Daniel 7, and the prophecy of the Goat/Capricorn and Ram/Aries of Daniel 8)

The Gospel is written in the stars - and nature, itself, declares Gd. People learn differently – and one has to admit that were the Bible simple to understand – Xtianity wouldn’t have evolved into 30,000+ Protesting .orgs – not to mention the variant groups within the Universal .org...

Moreover, I’ve seen arguments advanced about the sanctity of the Seventh-day Sabbath based on variations of such in a catalog of languages (Friday, also). The Mosaic Law seems to have been anticipated in part by the Hammurabic Code. One might bear in mind that secular literature is incorporated into Holy Writ.

>>a study was show me serveral years ago (maybe 10 to 15)
that the planets have moved and they are not lined up to
the months as most people think.
so when you say a certain sign is linked to a
certain month people are off here.<<

I agree that those who study and apply astrology do so with several small and great anomalies – example: some now question the legitimacy of Pluto-as-planet, Marduk is ignored, and others claim that an entire and unconsidered constellation exists in the celestial sphere of the Zodiac – that is not factored. Etc.

Writ seems to have a few of the same problems with the House of Joseph mentioned in the one instance and in the next instance it is the two half-tribes of Manasseh and Ephraim. Then there are the Houses of Jacob, Judah, and Ephraim mentioned together as separate entities in the one instance and only the two sticks of Joseph and of Ephraim in the next. Etc.

>>besides why would GOD have to lets his people know
about end time events out side of HIS WORD????<<

It may be that there are but very few examples where ‘Gd has-to...’. He is probably more versatile than we sometimes suppose Him to be.

>>as for as the disciples looking for his soon return
yes I am sure they were looking but when ADAM and EVE
had there 1st son they wondering if this was the one who
would deliver them. SO even since mankind has been
seperated from GOD they all have been looking for JESUS
to return.<<

Should one look up the meaning of the names of the first ten Patriarchs (pre-Flood), one finds that they form a synopsis of the Gospel.

Gd uses many forms to teach.

>>SO even since mankind has been
seperated from GOD they all have been looking for JESUS
to return.<<

Yes, there does seems to exist the doctrine of ‘imminency’.

>>they all have been looking for JESUS
to return.<<

The State of Israel seems to be an exception – and well there may be others...

>>again not to make you feel bad but this
date and time is not that important.<<

Thanks, but I don’t feel bad. However, are we not adjured by Jesus Christ to watch and pray – to be cognizant of the ‘signs of the times’?

"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth... " Isaiah 65:17 NASB
Regards!

Stipulating: that “world” as used in the above is the vernacular use,

and considering...

Eccl 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

it may be that the “new heavens and a new earth...” of Isaiah 65:17 ought to be read together with the KJV’s use of ‘replenish’ in Genesis 1:28 “...and replenish the earth, ...”, and in Genesis 9:1 "...replenish the earth", that is, indicative of a “recreation”.

JARD

LET me know when AUG 9 2008 THAT is the date
after 8-08-08
then when the world is still here doing the
same thing is did on 8-07-08 and 8-08-08
then maybe you will realize that this date
did not have any importance.

that is 10 months and 15 days away
but I CAN WAIT I will be here 8-09-08 and
also 8-10-08 and also 8-11-08
I am sure you get the picture.

dgrimm60

>>LET me know when AUG 9 2008 THAT is the date
after 8-08-08
then when the world is still here doing the
same thing is did on 8-07-08 and 8-08-08<<

It may be that you’re misreading my posts: I, rather, simply reiterate Writ, that is, “world without end”. Amen and amen.

>>then maybe you will realize that this date
did not have any importance.<<

It may be that you are correct in your thinking; then again, it may be that the world will experience the beginning of profound changes...

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

>>that is 10 months and 15 days away
but I CAN WAIT I will be here 8-09-08 and
also 8-10-08 and also 8-11-08<< [ed.jasd]

As Gd wills...

>>I am sure you get the picture.<<

I’m sure I do. Thanks.