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#169680 - 05/09/08 02:41 AM Story from John McCain's Former Hanoi Cell Mate
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John McCain rarely speaks about his experiences as a POW in Vietnam, but one of his cell mates at the Hanoi Hilton on Thursday described some of the conditions and character traits that earned McCain the commendations he received for his war service.

Col. George “Bud” Day, 83, is the most decorated service man since Gen. Douglas MacArthur, with more than 70 medals. A living legend, Day was blown out of the sky two months to the day before the North Vietnamese shot down a propaganda prize, whose father and grandfather were renowned American admirals.

Watch John McCain on “The O’Reilly Factor” on FOX News Channel tonight at 8 p.m. ET.

“They told me we were gonna get a roommate and it was gonna be the prince. The Vietnamese called him the prince so I asked my nurse what was his name? They said John McCain,” Day told FOX News.

Both he and McCain were taken captive in 1967, and held until their release in 1973.

Day said the first time he saw McCain, he believed the future senator was close to death and that the only reason for the chance encounter was part of a Vietnamese ploy to break the morale of U.S. servicemen already in captivity.

“I took one look at him, and my brain instantly said, ‘They dropped this guy off on me to claim that we let him die,’” Day said. “He was just emaciated. Very, very skinny, in this full body cast. Just filthy.”

The U.S. soldiers were held sometimes five to a cell, barely big enough for two.

“He had this gimpy knee where he’d busted his knee, this arm had been fractured in a couple places, he’d been bayoneted in the leg, this arm was out at the shoulder and, in fact, during that time it was out at the shoulder so long it wore a hole in this bone,” Day said.

During captivity, they were tortured mercilessly, Day said, describing one tactic that McCain has also recalled.

“They roped me under the arms, tied my hands behind my back, ran another rope to that, got me up on a chair, threw that rope up over a rafter and jerked the chair out from under me and your own weight just tears your body apart,” he said.

Day’s broken arm was re-broken during torture so he would never fly again. McCain played physical therapist.

“John said, ‘Well we’ll gather up some bamboo, and he was in a bandage on his leg at that time. So I got some strips of bamboo, smuggled them into the room, John put his foot in my arm pit and pulled on my wrist ’till we could get the bone forced back down … it wasn’t exactly perfect but it worked out he got it back to where it was functional,” Day said.

But nerve damage was extensive — his crushed hands were useless. Meanwhile, McCain was treated no better than the trash they were fed in the form of a soup.

“I mean you could smell him for 25 feet. Bunch of food and nasty stuff in his hair, and down his neck and inside his cast. The cast was not lined so every time he would move inside this cast, it was just eating a hole in his arm or his elbow or someplace, and he was just in — he was in pain,” Day recalled.

Yet McCain, now 71, made efforts to help Day recover from his own injuries, Day said.

Day said he had limited use of his arms, which was a result of a combination of torture and the initial plane crash that put him in the hands of his captors — an ordeal that earned Day the Congressional Medal of Honor.

“And when I finally did regain use of that, it was after months and months of dragging this hand and finger on the wall of the prison cell,” Day said, walking his fingers up the air like he did many years ago.

“John would help me. … John would pull my fingers out straight. They would just instantly recurl. And finally, one morning, I had just the slightest bit of movement in this hand — finger — and we both cried,” Day said.

McCain, whose military record was released to the Associated Press on Wednesday, received 17 commendations over his career from 1951-81. They included the Silver Star for his conduct in captivity. He also received the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross and a Bronze Star.

Day said by any humane standard, McCain would have been a good candidate for early release from the camp, but that wasn’t in his playbook.

“It also wasn’t in his playbook to die. In fact he quickly became a leader.”

Day said he asked McCain if he would be one of his preachers.

“He said sure. He had a great handle on the Episcopalian liturgy, he could just repeat it verbatim,” he said.

But repeating what he went through during his incarceration is something McCain almost never does as a presidential candidate. Day said he thinks he should.

“I’ve never seen any shortcomings or any shortfall out of him talking about that, but he just doesn’t trade on that. I think he feels that it’s wrong to trade on being a hero, but he is,” Day said

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#169684 - 05/09/08 03:08 AM Re: Story from John McCain's Former Hanoi Cell Mate [Re: Taylor]
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Originally Posted By: Taylor
I think he feels that it’s wrong to trade on being a hero, but he is,” Day said


I think John McCain should be given the same amount of years as president, to prove himself loyal to the American public, as he proved himself loyal to the American public during his military prison term. What other candidate has the ability to prove themself interested in more than themselves.
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#169686 - 05/09/08 03:22 AM Re: Story from John McCain's Former Hanoi Cell Mate [Re: LifeHiscost]
Taylor Online   content


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Yes I have to admitt I have been impressed with McCain's soul. No one is perfect but he seems like he has real courage.

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#169690 - 05/09/08 05:53 AM Re: Story from John McCain's Former Hanoi Cell Mate [Re: Taylor]
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I like McCain but I am concerned he will not be able to motivate the conservative base to get out and vote. I like Obama too so I am definitely in the undecided column. It is nice to have two good candidates to choose from instead of trying to choose the better of two bad candidates.
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#169696 - 05/09/08 07:00 AM Re: Story from John McCain's Former Hanoi Cell Mate [Re: Shane]
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Loc: Oregon
>>It is nice to have two good candidates to choose from instead of trying to choose the better of two bad candidates.<<

ORLY?

“In 2002, President Bush signed into law a bill titled the “Born Alive Infants Protection Act” (BAIPA). This law was necessary because, believe it or not, infants were being born alive during attempted abortions and then, ancient Spartan style, left to die. Jill Stanek wrote about this last year, saying:

“As a nurse at an Illinois hospital in 1999, I discovered babies were being aborted alive and shelved to die in soiled utility rooms. I discovered infanticide.”

The act was so vile that even staunch abortion advocates would not oppose BAIPA. Stanek tells us that it passed the Senate by unanimous vote, garnering the support of senators Kerry, Kennedy and Clinton. She then pointed out:

“The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme.”

But the state version of BAIPA failed for years in Illinois. Any guesses as to why? Stanek goes on to explain:

I testified in 2001 and 2002 before a committee of which Obama was a member.

Obama articulately worried that legislation protecting live aborted babies might infringe on women's rights or abortionists' rights. Obama's clinical discourse, his lack of mercy, shocked me. I was naive back then. Obama voted against the measure, twice. It ultimately failed.

In 2003, as chairman of the next Senate committee to which BAIPA was sent, Obama stopped it from even getting a hearing, shelving it to die much like babies were still being shelved to die in Illinois hospitals and abortion clinics.

If asked about this, I’m sure Obama would be a very effective interviewee; he is good with words. (Of course, one is better with words when they’re managed by a sympathetic media.) Yet, when you look beyond the rhetoric, a picture of Obama starts to emerge.” [ed] –Selwyn Duke (newwithviews.com)

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#169697 - 05/09/08 07:30 AM Re: Story from John McCain's Former Hanoi Cell Mate [Re: jasd]
Bravus Global Moderator Offline
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Hmm - why do we have to deify 'our' guy and demonise the 'other' guy? McCain is an angel and Obama is a babykiller? Gimme a break. They're both men - good but flawed.
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#169701 - 05/09/08 03:25 PM Re: Story from John McCain's Former Hanoi Cell Mate [Re: Bravus]
Shane Offline
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Registered: 02/02/02
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Obama is pro-choice and will fight any attempts to restrict abortion. So was Bill Clinton. However in Obama we see a consistency. He has always been pro-choice. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, has flip-flopped on the issue. So while we may disagree with Obama's position, at least we see a sign of character in his consistency.

During a presidential campaign, a discussion about abortion and judicial politics is healthy. I am not sure this is the best thread or forum to get into that. One might start a thread in the World Affairs or Politics forum.

I watched the first half of the McCain interview last night. It was worth while. O'Reilly is a good commentator that is fair and open about his own bias. I also watched his interview with Hillary and thought that was good. I hope to see Obama go on O'Reilly's show too.
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#169705 - 05/09/08 04:13 PM Re: Story from John McCain's Former Hanoi Cell Mate [Re: Shane]
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Registered: 12/25/04
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Yes I am with you Shane. I actually like both Obama and McCain for different reasons but I think they both have good qualities.

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#169711 - 05/09/08 04:26 PM Re: Story from John McCain's Former Hanoi Cell Mate [Re: Taylor]
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Ok, you guys make a nice case for McCain...but you are overlooking that SINCE his imprisonment as a combatant, he has since ran for political office....and there are some improprieties that soil is reputation....for example-

The Keating Five were five United States Senators, who were accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board.

After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings, while John Glenn and John McCain had been only minimally involved. The Committee recommended censure for Cranston and criticized the other four for "questionable conduct."

All five of the senators involved served out their terms, but only Glenn and McCain ran for re-election (and were subsequently re-elected).


This is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

You guys want to place the man on a pedistal and ignore that he a man changes as he matures.....
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#169724 - 05/09/08 05:29 PM Re: Story from John McCain's Former Hanoi Cell Mate [Re: Neil D]
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Loc: Rio Grande Valley, Texas
Do I see a hint of bipartisanship in that story? Was McCain really the only Republican in the Keating Five? Wow! This is a guy that really does know how to reach across the aisle.
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