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#169572 - 05/07/08 01:57 PM Should we have less to say about the papacy?
Tom Wetmore Offline
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Registered: 06/21/00
Posts: 937
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What exactly did EGW have in mind?

Quote:
There is need of a much closer study of the Word of God; especially should Daniel and the Revelation have attention as never before in the history of our work. We may have less to say in some lines, in regard to the Roman power and the Papacy, but we should call attention to what the prophets and apostles have written under the inspiration of the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit has so shaped matters, both in the giving of the prophecy, and in the events portrayed, as to teach that the human agent is to be kept out of sight, hid in Christ, and the Lord God of heaven and His law are to be exalted.--
Counsels to Editors, pp. 45, 46. (1896) {Ev 577.1} (Emphasis added.)

Tom
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#169579 - 05/07/08 04:46 PM Re: Should we have less to say about the papacy? [Re: Tom Wetmore]
Kevin H Offline


Registered: 01/23/02
Posts: 630
Loc: New York
Wow what a statement, but true. The Papacy/Holy Roman Empire was the 5th head of the beast, not the whole beast. It was the head in control durring Protestantism's rising. The 7 heads are:
1. Babylon
2. Medio-Persia
3. Greece
4. Rome
5. Papalsupresemicy/Holy Roman Empire
6. Deadly wound (No one great world empire, but the crowns are on the horns, individucal kings, a short time of independent countries)
7. (if you turn to the detalils in Revelation 18) The world united through the merchants of the earth: i.e corporate and economic cooperation.

We are also learining that the application of the 1260 days to the papacy is not historically accurate:
A. Jeochian of Floir (spelling?)the originator of the prophecy correctly knew the year-day principle, but for each individual application of the principle we need to know the context. The context of the 1260 now appears to be details of what is already year-day prophecys where making them years as well would be a double application of the principle.
B. The dates of the 1260 were changed as time went on, finally got applied to our dates when the Pope was arrested in 1798, and it was backing up.
C. The papacy was already firmly established by that year
D. The pope, although arrested continued to have his power and did his job from jail. He soon died and the next pope was back in Rome and business moved back to Rome, and the 1800s gave us some of the strongest Popes in history. The Holy Roman Empire came to an end giving way to independent nations, but the power of the Papacy continued to grow. Some Popes have been very evil, others very good, as well as those in the middle.

The Protestants were preaching pressent truth, and Jehoican's visions guided the church into that truth. But he appears to have had a doubble application of the year day principle on the 1260 days. God used this to aid in the rise of Protestantism, just as God covered over the spring 1843 to spring 1844. God shows us what we need to know when we need to know it. We need to take advantage of the explosion in Biblical knowlege (archaeology, linquistics, cultural, etc.) to move beyond reading the text and speculating on what it means, to studying what it's exogesis is so that we can make proper applications to our day.

Meanwhile we can be conserned with the Papacy as the 5th head and see it as a type of what is coming. We can respect the Pope as the spiritual leader of a denomination, but consern when he tries to push his views on to the world at large instead of respecting liberty of conscience.

I hope this helps.

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#169582 - 05/07/08 05:27 PM Re: Should we have less to say about the papacy? [Re: Kevin H]
cricket Offline


Registered: 11/11/03
Posts: 4705
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The Holy Spirit has so shaped matters, both in the giving of the prophecy, and in the events portrayed, as to teach that the human agent is to be kept out of sight, hid in Christ, and the Lord God of heaven and His law are to be exalted.--


It is my opinion that this is the most important message we should read from this statement--that God should be exalted!

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#169635 - 05/08/08 04:23 PM Re: Should we have less to say about the papacy? [Re: cricket]
olger Offline


Registered: 12/27/05
Posts: 2710
Loc: Ohio
"Papalsupresemicy"

hanhh?

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#169846 - 05/10/08 06:03 PM Re: Should we have less to say about the papacy? [Re: cricket]
Brutha Bouregard Offline


Registered: 04/27/08
Posts: 22
Loc: From the South, obviously
Originally Posted By: cricket
Quote:
The Holy Spirit has so shaped matters, both in the giving of the prophecy, and in the events portrayed, as to teach that the human agent is to be kept out of sight, hid in Christ, and the Lord God of heaven and His law are to be exalted.--


It is my opinion that this is the most important message we should read from this statement--that God should be exalted!


Why Sista Cricket,

Whatever happened to THE LORD GOD LOVE YOU as the most important message to be exalted? What about the Lawds sacrifice and what it cost heaven to restore The Sinner to his rightful place in heaven? How can we reach even the most harden person without sacrifice to show how much he means to heaven? Is not our efforts/time/money worth the cost for redemption?

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#169857 - 05/10/08 08:16 PM Re: Should we have less to say about the papacy? [Re: Brutha Bouregard]
cricket Offline


Registered: 11/11/03
Posts: 4705
Please do not call me "Sista" I find that term degrading. Sister would be acceptable, but "Sista" insults me.

If you would have taken the time to read what I'd written carefully, you would have noticed that I said, "from this statement". That prepositional phrase was meant to indicate that I was referring to only the quote and not the entirety of all possible messages to be exalted.

Please do not be offended if I do not answer any more of your posts. I am appalled at your casual misspelling of the Lord's name, and cannot in sincerity carry on a civil conversation with you any longer.

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#169865 - 05/10/08 10:49 PM Re: Should we have less to say about the papacy? [Re: cricket]
Brutha Bouregard Offline


Registered: 04/27/08
Posts: 22
Loc: From the South, obviously
Originally Posted By: cricket
Please do not call me "Sista" I find that term degrading. Sister would be acceptable, but "Sista" insults me.

If you would have taken the time to read what I'd written carefully, you would have noticed that I said, "from this statement". That prepositional phrase was meant to indicate that I was referring to only the quote and not the entirety of all possible messages to be exalted.

Please do not be offended if I do not answer any more of your posts. I am appalled at your casual misspelling of the Lord's name, and cannot in sincerity carry on a civil conversation with you any longer.


I am sorry that you find the southern tone offensive . I assure you, my sistER, the tone was not intended to be offensive.

I am sorry that you didn't answer my questions either. I am sure that my southern dialect put you off. And I was so looking forward to your answers to those questions....

Howevea, my persona needs the southern dialect AND the characterization associated generally with the southern people. The question is, how does one convey his/her southern-ness, if one is not allowed spell phonetically southern words. And I do believe that a southern dialect, while not the most intelligent sounding dialect, is the most friendliest...

Uhpparently, my friendliness has offended your sensibilities...To which, I appologize and will not, per your wishes, start a conversation with you.


Edited by Brutha Bouregard (05/10/08 10:50 PM)

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#169983 - 05/12/08 01:31 AM Re: Should we have less to say about the papacy? [Re: Brutha Bouregard]
jasd Offline


Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 1242
Loc: Oregon
QR frame:

By which rule, what rote,
Whose imagined pattern
Structures the cloistered reign
Of illusions and spectre-stuff. —Goethe

Between the emotion,
And the response,
Falls the Shadow. --T. S. Eliot

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#170062 - 05/13/08 03:13 AM Re: Should we have less to say about the papacy? [Re: jasd]
jasd Offline


Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 1242
Loc: Oregon
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