Club Adventist
Welcome with open arms fellow believers who don’t see things the way you do.
And don’t jump all over them every time they do or say something you don’t agree with
– even when it seems that they are strong on opinions but weak in the faith department.
Remember, they have their own history to deal with. Treat them gently. Romans 14.1: The Message
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#170282 - 05/15/08 06:23 PM BANNED from bibleforums.org - for quoting the bible!
rush4hire Offline


Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 582
Loc: Kansas
I sign up on this forum called bibleforums.org . That's at http://www.bibleforums.org/

They have thousands of patrons, and I'm excited to post there. I'm anxious to share with people who love the Word of God like I do from all around the world. I wrote an article about the Law of God. I notice Hell and the Sabbath are hot topics, so I seek to appreciate their views and share my own.

Then I get banned.

The moderator said I was advancing SDA doctrine. He pointed me to the rules page, where it says:

Quote:
IV. Specific Rules

Unorthodox teachings or discussing specific doctrines of ANY of these religions will be moved to
the "World Religions" Forum:
Teachings of ANY of these religions and discussion of specific doctrines may be discussed only in the World Religions forum
in the interest of seeking factual representation and refuting any doctrinal differences from mainstream Protestantism:

1. Seventh Day Adventist (SDA)
2. Jehovah's Witnesses (JW)
3. Latter Day Saints (LDS)
4. ANY non-Christian religion, such as Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Wicca, etc.
5. Roman Catholicism.
6. ONENESS (DENIAL OF THE TRINITY/DEITY of Christ)
7. Universalism of any sort to include Universal Reconciliation

This is not just for posting messages on the open board. If you use the various systems on the message board to promote these doctrines (such as Private Messaging or Rep system etc.) then we will take appropriate action.

I had no idea, with a name like bibleforums.org, they would be so censorious. What that says is, their testimony and knowledge of the scripture is so weak, they can't even refute heretical teachings.

But the thing is, there where other people posting the same views. So why was my post deleted, and why was I banned? Well, like in other things we see a lot of beating around the bush and eloquent non-sense. Basically what happened was these guys had a doctrine that their faith was dependent on. They claimed that the disciples of Christ worshipped on Sunday. I proved that to be a complete myth.

I only made a few posts. Please look over them, and you be the judge.

My introduction

Artical on the Law of God

Baptizing children.

Sabbath part 1

Sabbath part 2 (that's the first few lines. The rest got deleted)

Hell part 1

By the time I finished with Hell part 2, I had already been banned, and my post was redirected to my IM. Here's the IM I got:
here.

Here are two pages from the private conversation with the mods.
Page 1
Page 2

In those threads, I pasted the topic of Hell part 2, and re-created the one on the Sabbath part 2, which got deleted.(Those will open in IE, not Firefox.)[/i]

You will clearly see that I was only quoting scriptures to demonstrate that keeping the Sabbath is a Biblical practice. I showed Sunday laws that where passed. Made a few comments on Sun worship. Described clearly, beyond any doubt that Paul was preaching at night after the sun set on the Sabbath. Then about the offering that was to be "set aside" on the first day, not "taken up". Then I ended with Heb 4:9, "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.", showing that word is sabbatismos, or in modern Greek, sabbatism, which had NO OTHER MEANING, than "to keep the Sabbath", ( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sabbatism ). I was just getting started, but he banned me quickly!

I don't want to rant or insult. I hope these guys will repent, and fix their rules, and learn to be honest. I hope to see them here, or for them to email me with an apology, and allow me to post there, so we can have some serious bible discussion. I seek their restoration, and for this, though I hardly know you, I solicit your prayers. "with God all things are possible", (Mt 19:26).

Sadly, all I can do now is shake the dust off my feet and move on. In order to be unbanned, I would have to condone their lies. I would have to deny the Lord, and confess that the doctrine that God destroys the wicked and that Sabbath-keeping is a Biblical practice, are the doctrines of a cult. They are actually demanding I renounce my beliefs. I'm not willing to do that. Also they lied about why I was banned, and they know better. I'm not willing to share that sin either.

Thanks for reading and sharing my burden. God bless!!! :)


Edited by rush4hire (05/15/08 06:25 PM)
_________________________
I cant make a sig with 30 chrs

Top
Visiting any ads that interest you helps to pay for our ads
#170284 - 05/15/08 07:37 PM Re: BANNED from bibleforums.org - for quoting the bible! [Re: rush4hire]
Kountzer Online   content


Registered: 10/18/02
Posts: 612
Loc: Houston, Texas
I've participated in forums like that before. Many of the people on those types of forums can come up with some stubborn and exhaustive reasons for avoiding the truth of the 7th day sabbath.
_________________________
Jesus Christ was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor.

There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

Top
#170288 - 05/15/08 09:09 PM Re: BANNED from bibleforums.org - for quoting the bible! [Re: Kountzer]
cricket Offline


Registered: 11/11/03
Posts: 4889
Hmm. Seems like you were promoting SDA beliefs to me. You'd be banned on other boards like that too.
_________________________
http://tinyurl.com/55ngvd

Top
#170318 - 05/16/08 02:34 AM Re: BANNED from bibleforums.org - for quoting the bible! [Re: cricket]
Bravus Online   content
Husband and Father

Registered: 09/05/04
Posts: 7061
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Like it or not, posting on a board is tacit acceptance - in fact, no, active acceptance, because you have to accept to register - of a contract to abide by the Terms and Conditions. I have sympathy for you as an SDA trying to share your beliefs, but I can't muster much outrage at the admins of that forum who enforced a contract that you had 'signed'.
_________________________
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate

Top
#170340 - 05/16/08 06:13 AM Re: BANNED from bibleforums.org - for quoting the bible! [Re: rush4hire]
Shane Offline
Administrator of Foro Adventista

Registered: 02/02/02
Posts: 16945
Loc: Rio Grande Valley, Texas
It sounds like they provide an avenue in their "World Religions" forum for SDAs to advance our theology. I guess I don't understand why that forum wasn't used.
_________________________
I reserve the humble right to be wrong.

Link > Shane's Page - update in progress

Top
#170344 - 05/16/08 07:12 AM Re: BANNED from bibleforums.org - for quoting the bible! [Re: cricket]
rush4hire Offline


Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 582
Loc: Kansas
Not so. Other's where defending Christians Sabbath-keeping too, and where not banned. They have failed to demonstrate how my posting differed from theirs.

Therefore they bear false witness.

That's all those who reject the message of Christ can do against the truth is bear false witness:

Quote:
Matthew 26:59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
26:60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, [yet] found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,

Acts 6:13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:


And now finally, their admin has permanently banned me. I can no longer post, even to their moderators, lest I persuade them.

This is how they suppress the truth. They can not oppose or resist the truth. Their pride forbids them to admit they made a mistake, so they use force. Please read, if you will, all that I posted and bear witness against me if I had spoken anything in an unkind manner.

Quote:
Acts 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,


These Christians who refuse to even obey the plain commands of Jesus Christ, will rise up against God's people and seek to annihilate them from the earth.

Quote:
7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
7:20 The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?

John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.


They do not even keep their own law, nor their own creed which they have made.

I have given them an undeniably clear revelation, yet they mock all the prophets. How will they meet them in the resurrection, whom the mocked?

May this be found on the first page in a google search for bibleforums.org, so the whole world may know their shame, and they may feel their condemnation.

Quote:
Luke 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
_________________________
I cant make a sig with 30 chrs

Top
#170349 - 05/16/08 09:10 AM Re: BANNED from bibleforums.org - for quoting the bible! [Re: rush4hire]
rush4hire Offline


Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 582
Loc: Kansas
This is my last post before getting banned from even viewing their web site. You can see the whole topic here:
Discussion with bibleforums.org moderators page 1
Discussion with bibleforums.org moderators page 2

This is what I posted in my last post:




Concerning my doctrine, that's another issue. What I am currently burdened with, I'll try to clarify even further. The way I see it, you have three choices.

1. If you can demonstrate that the way I defended Christian Sabbath-keeping from the Bible was different from how others have done so, who where not banned, but are still posting in public, then I will be instructed by that, and will apologize.

2. If you can not demonstrate, then please humbly admit you are not perfect and you made a mistake, (your creed), or tell me that my posting was not different from others, but perhaps you where just afraid that I would do so in the future. Then kindly and clearly demonstrate what kind of defense will not be tolerated.

3. If you fail to do either, than you bear false witness, which is breaking the 9th commandment, and I cannot be partaker to that.

Concerning your rules:

I have apologized, and do again, for posting the commercial web link.

Quote:
Please do not link to commercial websites in your posts, profile or signature.

I have also agreed not to mention anything about:
- Ellen White
- the Investigative Judgment
- 1844 and the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel

I have an understanding into these mysteries, and if you wish a true and honest explanation of them, I will be happy to spend my time doing so in private. I do agree they are not for the general audience of such a board as this. As I've said, you don't have to be a brain surgeon to relieve yourself of a headache, neither do you have to understand deep mysteries to have a good walk with the Lord. Don't you agree?

I agree to abide by these. However I have seen your patrons defend their ideas of:
1. Annihilationism
2. Christian Sabbath keeping
3. Soul sleep, which goes with annihilationism.

To forbid such specific views seems arbitrary as I find those items mentioned no where in your rules, and others continue to defend them freely.

Concerning what you call "soul-sleep", if someone asks if it's possible to communicate with the dead, I would explain to them that it is not possible, and would recommend they not go near a séance, a psychic, a Ouija Board, EVP machine, hold a conversation with a "ghost", or even to address "saints" or "Mary" in prayers. I will demonstrate that to do so breaks the 9th commandment, for it is impossible to communicate with the dead, for "..the dead know not any thing,.." (Ecc 9:5).

There's no way I could fail to save someone from being deceived by "seducing spirits" who pretend to be dead loved ones. I would lovingly and faithfully do my best to prevent them from stepping upon the Devil's enchanted ground. I cannot agree to do otherwise.

Do you encourage people to get into this kind of stuff?
http://aaevp.com/resources/no_dead_reviews.htm

Satan is so base that he will play upon our emotions to deceive us.

But bearing such a testimony is not forbidden in your Official Rules.

If I missed it, please kindly point it out.

Also Christian Sabbath-keeping and Annihilationism, are no where specified in your rules. The rule about "SDA doctrine" is, in fact, a bit too vague.

Concerning your rules and creeds, I have respect for them, and do confess that I see much wisdom there. This I say out of an honest heart, and not because I desire to be unbanned.
_________________________
I cant make a sig with 30 chrs

Top
#170406 - 05/17/08 01:29 AM Re: BANNED from bibleforums.org - for quoting the bible! [Re: rush4hire]
Redwood Online   content
Swiss n Swedish American

Registered: 12/09/06
Posts: 8970
Loc: A citizen of Heaven
Like it has been said ... you broke the clearly defined rules. It is much easier to be banned here because the rules are not clearly defined and left to the judgment of those in power. And there would be no discussion. You would just be banned.

It has also been pointed out that there was a place for you to post what you wanted. But you chose not to. The excuse that "everyone else is doing it" ... does not seem in my mind to justify what you did.

All the same ... you are sure welcome here. And I look forward to more of your posts.
_________________________
Another one of Woodies Goodies
Love WON Another.
Redwood the tree

Top
#170408 - 05/17/08 02:26 AM Re: BANNED from bibleforums.org - for quoting the bible! [Re: rush4hire]
ChildofChrist Offline


Registered: 12/20/00
Posts: 5048
Loc: 37321
So....Rush4Hire, why not share something about yourself.

Under "MY STUFF" up on the index section you will find a part for you to share things, like where you live, your experience growing up etc.

It helps for me to figure out where folks are coming from when I read their posts.
In some parts of the country, a sofa is called a davenport or diven etc. Just like a frying pan can be a skillet or even an iron. Thanks. hifive
_________________________
For God is love, and love is life.
~~Child of Christ~~

Top
#170545 - 05/18/08 07:46 AM Re: BANNED from bibleforums.org - for quoting the bible! [Re: Redwood]
rush4hire Offline


Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 582
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: Redwood
Like it has been said ... you broke the clearly defined rules.

There's nothing "clearly defined" about it. The rule against "SDA doctrine" is vague. The ban was unjust and dishonest. Others where defending the Sabbath and where not banned. They allow Messianic Jews and Seventh-Day Baptists.

They have failed to provide evidence that the way I posted was any different than the way others have posted about the Sabbath.

Again I say, there was no difference, so they lied.

Please don't defend these people and tell me I did wrong. I've had enough of this already.

If you want, please digg this topic. Thanks.
_________________________
I cant make a sig with 30 chrs

Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >


Moderator:  John317, John317 
Our Store


SEARCH OUR SITE

Custom Search
30 days FREE

This full membership income helps pay for hosting, advertising, domain names, software support etc etc
Shout Box

The Chat Room

Come Chat with others,
open 24/7

Who's Online
83 registered (aldona, Bearamie, Beryl, bkopplin, Bravus, Bruce_G, Bruno, bygjymbo, c freeland, carolaa, carole1012, CoAspen, Contented, Curly, DanC, darlene, delta, Denise, dgrimm60, Dottie, Doug, fccool, Gerry Cabalo, Gladussee, guibox, james423, Jerry D Thomas, John317, Kevin H, Kountzer, Lauralea, lazarus, LifeHiscost, Lineman, Liz, LLBeck, Loren Fenton, LynnDel, Mark Aurelius, melvin mccarty, mikeyswen79, Morning Glory, Nan, Neil D, Nightingale, Norman, olger, patty, pkrause, puddles, Raphael, Redwood, Robert, Sapphire, SarahAnne, SherryLee, SMAN, Tallmark, Taylor, Vera, vern, 22 invisible), 526 Guests and 246 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Featured Member
Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1925
Top Posters (30 Days)
Redwood 767
John317 709
Shane 435
Neil D 360
Robert 290
Bravus 283
carolaa 280
fccool 217
BobRyan 183
rush4hire 181
Stan Jensen 170
Taylor 136
Amelia 128
olger 120
Gail 106
pkrause 101
Nan 94
Lineman 81
Liz 77
B Humble 73
Top Posters
Amelia 18428
Shane 16945
Robert 15381
Gail 13579
Neil D 13177
John317 10247
Redwood 8970
Gerry Cabalo 7418
Naomi 7196
Gregory Matthews 7111
Bravus 7061
Nan 6021
Shirley 5292
ChildofChrist 5048
cricket 4889
bevin 4699
LifeHiscost 4152
Stan Jensen 3916
D. Allan 3883
dgrimm60 3593
Newest Members
SarahAnne, kayyak, veggiesmile, parsongarlic, babydeed
2962 Registered Users

THE ADVENTIST FORUM® is a self-supporting ministry and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland or any of its subsidiaries.
Copyright © ClubAdventist.com® 1999 - 2008