Job - by Jack Sequeira

If Job is the subject, why then do you bring up Paul?

Gerry

"Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?" by GOD, Job 1:8 ESV

"Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil? He still holds fast his integrity, although you incited me against him to destroy him WITHOUT REASON." by GOD, Job 2:3 ESV.

"God is not a man that He should lie." Nu 23:19 ESV.

"...it is impossible for God to lie..." Heb 6:18 ESV.

If what God said TWICE about Job was not true, that would make God a liar. That's impossible.

If what God said TWICE about Job was not true, there would have been good reason for Him to bring harm to Job. God's own testimony was that harm came to Job "WITHOUT REASON."

If what God said TWICE about Job was not true, how then could God brag about Job?

Gerry

Put yourself in Job's shoes. You are deathly sick, and your friends tell you that you are deathly sick because of sin/s which you know in your heart you are not guilty of, would you not try to justify yourself?

At the end of Job's testing in which he was triumphant, God's testimoney was, to Eliphaz: "My anger burns against you and against your two friends, for you have not spoken of me what is right, AS MY SERVANT JOB HAS. Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves. And my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will accept his prayer not to deal with you according to your folly. FOR YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN OF ME WHAT IS RIGHT, AS MY SERVANT JOB HAS." by GOD, Job 42:7-8 ESV

If what God had said 4x were not true about Job, He would have been tellin Job to offer burnt & sin offerings instead of telling his friends that Job would INTERCEDE FOR THEM!!!

Gerry

I'm with you on this one Gerry. And since the only way that the book makes sense is as an allegory we can make some allowances

mel

Exactly right Gerry, well said.

Norman

Because both of these man shared a common characteristic, self-righteousness. And both of these man repented.

Gerry, God's not lying. He is merely presenting to Satan Job's own view of himself.

What the first, three men where stating to Job is you must have some secret sin and God's punishing you for it. That's where they were wrong, but a 4th man comes in and God doesn't rebuke him.



You see I can do the right thing outwardly for the wrong reason...the wrong motive. That's why in 1 Cor chapter 13 Paul states that if one gives all he has to the poor (a good deed), but doesn't have agape (a selfless love) the deed is worthless in God's sight. In other words the deed, even though outwardly good, brings glory not to God but rather to sinful, self-centered mankind.

That was Job's problem. He obeyed the law. He didn't kill, steal or commit adultery. He had a will of iron. But it was all for naught. Why? Because "love (agape) is the fulfillment of the law." The self-righteous are void of agape. They can't generate it. Agape is only given to those who are standing on the Rock Jesus Christ and have no confidence in human achievement. Only those who have the assurance of salvation can experience genuine agape love.

Why then did Job go from justifying himself before 4 men and God himself and then towards the end of the book of Job call himself "vile"?

Why did Job repent if he had no sin?

Why did he cover his mouth and cease stating "I am blameless"?

Rob