#179628 - 08/07/08 11:37 PM
Re: sabbaton
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John3:17: "It is one more proof that all of the Greek lexicons are correct when they say that Matt. 28: 1 should read just as it does in practically all of the translations of that verse." Gerhard Ebersoehn: There's BIG difference between older translations -16th to early twentieth centuries - and later ones! Virtually NO 'newer' so-called 'translations' do not follow Justin Martyr who first came up with "On the Day of the Sun" and "after the Sabbath", in stead of the TRUE Greek meaning which is "On the Sabbath Before the First Day of the week". See my research of over about forty years on this, http://www.biblestudents.co.za Jesus rose from the dead "In Sabbath's-time", 'Sabbatohn', simply and truly, to the embarrassment of all the 'Sunday-world'!!!
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#179630 - 08/07/08 11:54 PM
Re: sabbaton
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John 3:17: "5) Certainly if the Jewish sabbath had all come to an end, Acts 17: 2 would not continue to call the seventh-day Sabbath "the Sabbath." Never once does the Bible call it "the Jewish Sabbath" or indicate that it was ended. Acts 13: 42, 44; 16: 13 clearly call it "the sabbath." "
GE: Here's a VERY interesting 'perspective' on the traditional or usual way of interpretation given to the 'Sabbath's referred to in Acts 13. Paul arrives in Pisidia and enters the Synagogue "on the Sabbath". Then the Jews reject the Gospel, and the heathen believers ask Paul to preach the same sermon to them on the "IN-BETWEEN-SABBATH" which I believe was the Sabbath of the Great Day of Judgment or Atonement (That's why John went to Jerusalem.) So the Jews finally got rejected on this Great Day of Judgment, and the HEATHEN AND BELIEVING Jews, on the 'regular' or 'weekly' Sabbath, about the whole town, came to receive the Word of God.
Now here's something great! Luke uses a very special name for the Sabbath Day here: "On The-To-Hear-The-Word-Of-God-Sabbath", Infinitive of Noun-Force!!! This must silence every 'Sunday argument' once for all! If this is not 'PROOF' of the early Church keeping the Sabbath for to worship Jesus Christ, nothing will!
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#179631 - 08/07/08 11:55 PM
Re: sabbaton
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John3:17: "It is one more proof that all of the Greek lexicons are correct when they say that Matt. 28: 1 should read just as it does in practically all of the translations of that verse." There's BIG difference between older translations -16th to early twentieth centuries - and later ones! Virtually NO 'newer' so-called 'translations' do not follow Justin Martyr who first came up with "On the Day of the Sun" and "after the Sabbath", in stead of the TRUE Greek meaning which is "On the Sabbath Before the First Day of the week". See my research of over about forty years on this, http://www.biblestudents.co.za Jesus rose from the dead "In Sabbath's-time", 'Sabbatohn', simply and truly, to the embarrassment of all the 'Sunday-world'!!! Do you mean to say that "virtually no newer translations follow Justin Martyr'"? If so, I fully agree. Apparently you are connected in some way with World Tomorrow. Do I understand you to be saying that Jesus rose "on the Sabbath"? My own understanding is that Jesus rose very early on the first day of the week.
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#179634 - 08/08/08 12:06 AM
Re: sabbaton
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John 3:17: ") For me personally, the greatest proof that the seventh-day Sabbath remains under the New Covenant, is that no change concerning the Sabbath was mentioned before the death of Christ."
GE: For me, Scripturally, the greatest proof that the Seventh Day Sabbath remains under the New Covenant, is the all-encompassing FACT and TRUTH of Jesus' resurrection from the dead "ON THE SABBATH, IN (its) FULLNESS, IN THE EPICENTRE OF (DAY) LIGHT having tended towards the First Day of the week", "Opse de Sabbatohn tehi epifohskousehi eis Mian (hehmeran) Sabbaton." "For thus concerning the Seventh Day God spake: And God the Seventh Day rested from all his works". God "THUS SPAKE", "through the Son", "in these last days", by resurrection from the dead "the exceeding GREATNESS of his POWER which He WORKED W-H-E-N HE RAISED CHRIST FROM THE DEAD". It is God's Word -- not mine!!!
Edited by Gerhard Ebersoeh (08/08/08 01:26 AM)
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#179635 - 08/08/08 12:09 AM
Re: sabbaton
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John3:17: "Do you mean to say that "virtually no newer translations follow Justin Martyr'"? If so, I fully agree."
GE: Just the reverse. New 'translations' parrot Justin in his PERVERSION of Matthew 28:1, saying, "After the Sabbath, on the First Day". Compare the KJV and the NKJV!
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#179636 - 08/08/08 12:13 AM
Re: sabbaton
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John£:17: "Apparently you are connected in some way with World Tomorrow. "
GE: I do not know what you talk about; I cnnot see what's 'apparent' here, and it's the first time I hear about 'World Tomorrow'
My study has been from a Calvinistic standpoint and persuasion with the help of virtually 'Reformed' scholars only.
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#179637 - 08/08/08 12:20 AM
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John3:17: "My own understanding is that Jesus rose very early on the first day of the week."
GE:
There is no Scripture that says Jesus rose from the dead on the First Day ... any time! There is JUST ONE Scripture in all of the NT that mentions DIRECTLY AND UNMISTAKEABLY the CIRCUMSTANCE AND TIME of and when Jesus rose from the dead, and that is Mt28:1 .... and it unequivocally literally and once again unmistakeably states "In the Sabbath's fulness of day-light-being (having tended) towards the First Day of the week".
O, how the Sundaydarians hate me for this vexing fact removed from under the rubble of Sunday-prejudice. But strange, that their protests are only surpassed by the objections of the Sabbatharians!
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#179638 - 08/08/08 12:24 AM
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John£:17: "Apparently you are connected in some way with World Tomorrow. "
GE: I do not know what you talk about; I cnnot see what's 'apparent' here, and it's the first time I hear about 'World Tomorrow'
My study has been from a Calvinistic standpoint and persuasion with the help of virtually 'Reformed' scholars only. I noticed the following title of an article or letter on your website, and am wondering if you wrote it: Professor Samuele Bacchiocchi in Cahoots with The Antichrist –
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#179639 - 08/08/08 12:31 AM
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John3:17: "My own understanding is that Jesus rose very early on the first day of the week." There is no Scripture that says Jesus rose from the dead on the First Day ... any time! There is JUST ONE Scripture in all of the NT that mentions DIRECTLY AND UNMISTAKEABLY the CIRCUMSTANCE AND TIME of and when Jesus rose from the dead, and that is Mt28:1 .... and it unequivocally literally and once again unmistakeably states "In the Sabbath's fulness of day-light-being (having tended) towards the First Day of the week".
O, how the Sundaydarians hate me for this vexing fact removed from under the rubble of Sunday-prejudice. But strange, that their protests are only surpassed by the objections of the Sabbatharians! Luke 24: 1 also says that Jesus rose early on the first day of the week. sabbaton in that verse is not Sabbath but week. I take it that you believe Jesus died on Thursday?
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Turning and turning in the widening gyre/ The falcon cannot hear the falconer;/ things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... Surely some revelation is at hand;/Surely the Second Coming is at hand. W.B. Yeats
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#179640 - 08/08/08 12:36 AM
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John£:17: "Apparently you are connected in some way with World Tomorrow. "
GE: I do not know what you talk about; I cnnot see what's 'apparent' here, and it's the first time I hear about 'World Tomorrow'
My study has been from a Calvinistic standpoint and persuasion with the help of virtually 'Reformed' scholars only. I clicked on a link on your website, which brought up a window connected to the World Tomorrow but I believe it was an ad and not anything related to your site. Do you believe in and keep the seventh-day Sabbath? I myself do.
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