1) You do not believe, then, that Lexicons or dictionaries are any kind of evidence as to the meaning of a word? You don't consult them?

2) Would you say the same thing about the dictionaries and Lexicons if you were studying the meaning of words in any other language?

3) You are quite right that all the authorities on the meaning of Greek words say the word sabbaton in Luke 24:1, etc., means "week."

Could you now tell why I should accept your word for it that it means "sabbath" in Luke 23:1, etc., given the overwhelming evidence that it means "week" as it is used there?

That is, considering that virtually all translations of the Bible give it that way, and the fact that Greek literature outside the NT also uses it to signify the days of the "week"?

John3:17:
The point is that its Greek is the same as in the NT. There's no difference."

GE:
Sure, you're right, 'there's no difference'! 8:1b uses sabbatOHn Pl Gn -- not, 'sabbatOn' Sg N or A, because it also uses it in the same way the Gospels use the term, namely, for 'week'. I once read someone who - to my understanding correctly - interpreted the Pl Gn: "as if counting from the Sabbath Day". So Didacheh: some fast the Second Day and Fifth (counted from the Sabbath Day), but you, on the Fourth Day (counted from the Sabbath Day) and on the Preparation Day (Friday).

PLURAL (idiomatically?) used for Singular. That is perhaps important for us to know. I know of nothing else that could be important to us.

John3:17:
"Could you now tell why I should accept your word for it that it means "sabbath" in Luke 23:1, etc., given the overwhelming evidence that it means "week" as it is used there?"

GE:
Luke 24:1???

Yes.

Luke3:17:
"What is your evidence that it should be translated as "sabbath"?"

GE:
The fact the basic meaning of the word is what the word as such indicates: "The Sabbath", closely related to 'seventh' or even 'last', although one may deem it as the first from which the following days are counted, as i have said above. The concept, "Sabbath" is determinative. In the Old Testament the word 'sabbath' may have nothing to do with 'The (weekly) Sabbath', like the 'sabbaths' of the Feasts -- which were 'floating-through-the-week-sabbaths', "metacsy"-'sabbaths', like those FOUR 'floating' or ceremonial 'feast'-sabbaths implied in Acts 13, or like the Passover-sabbath of Nisan 15 "Great Day" in Jn19:31.

OK, but your reference here is to "someone" who you are not even sure you are quoting correctly.

Do you expect that evidence to be accepted, yet the best Greek-English Lexicons and translations are to be ignored or rejected?

But I think what may explain or help, is the elipsis of the word 'day' in the phrase(s) "On the First Day of the week / 'sabbaths'. No dificulty; what's your problem? That it is a Plural for a Singular?: One 'day' of the 'week': a singular concept? There are millions of such cases -- it's a matter of idiom where a plural may stand for a singular or vice versa; not of literalness. 'Hair' for 'hairs' e.g. 'Pair' for two. etc etc.

"OK, but your reference here is to "someone" who you are not even sure you are quoting correctly. "

GE:
I'm very sure I understood him correctly; What could be wrong with such thinking? It's just logical! But why be dogmatic about it? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GAIN IF 'SABBATOHN' EXCLUSIVELY AND INVARIABLY INDICATED 'SABBATH' AND NEVER, 'WEEK'?

But your argument is ignoring some fundamental facts about the use of languages. One of them is that just because words are related or perhaps even spelled the same does not mean that they mean the same thing.

For instance, we used words all the time that look the same but mean something quite different. In the case of sabbaton, the fact that it means sabbath is one very good reason that it was also was used to signify the week, because the week has seven days in it, and the Sabbath was the last day in that seven-day cycle.

Therefore, my friend, if your best argument is based on the fact that its basic meaning is Sabbath, that is not considered conclusive evidence that this must be its meaning in a particular text. There are many words that are used differently in the NT, so words vary often from their basic meaning.

How do you think your argument would be received in the class of NT Greek scholars or students? What grade would you expect to get from the instructor if you presented a paper containing your argument just the way you have presented it here?

Then, immediately, if 'sabbatohn' MUST mean 'sabbath' invariably, what do you do with the fact its Plural, 'Sabbaths'; and Genitive, 'OF, the sabbaths'? THESE are the things you say amply and completely by just saying, 'week'; and that's why 'sabbatohn' is rendered 100% correctly, 'WEEK' wherever the CONTEXT makes that the easiest and simplest and most accurate meaning. I think, in a word, 'CONTEXT' is your WHOLE answer!