The main point I would make is that it is through the shedding of Christ's blood that we have remission, not through anything that happened to either of the goats. The goats are symbolic of the plan of salvation, but by themselves, apart from the shed blood of Jesus Christ, they are incapable of resulting in forgiveness.

Lev. 16: 20 says that the scapegoat only entered into the picture after the "end of reconciling" by the Lord's goat. The latter's blood has been shed and used to cleanse the sanctuary of the uncleanness of the people (vv. 15-17).

>>The goats are symbolic of the plan of salvation, but by themselves, apart from the shed blood of Jesus Christ, they are incapable of resulting in forgiveness.<<

Ahh, yes, the mnemonic cursors. But what do those goats really represent then – if Forgiveness, Atonement, and Redemption occurred during the first month of Nisan, at the cross – and the Day of Atonement occurs in the seventh month Tishri? If I recall correctly,

the feasts of Trumpet, Atonement, and Tabernacles occur in the seventh month.

What’s with that!? How is it that the ‘Atonement’ has begun in the heavenlies – without there first being a fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets? and what was its fulfillment? And,

didn’t Jesus Christ completely fulfill the [L]aw at the cross?

Heeehaaa, this thread is cooking!

I am so glad, I'll soon post something for her to read from here, but she indicated that the last stuff i sent her (all from here by the way) she is still busy "digesting".

There will be a lot more coming, as I have time. We've so far just scratched the surface. I plan to reply to JASD before I add anything more.

Scratch or not, so far she has quitened down, and I think she has been given enough material to study and absorb!

Now, I have a question, what happens to the veil divinding the two compartments in heaven? Is it there, or not? To me I think it is because the earthly one was a copy of the original heavenly one! Am I off track?

The "Lord's goat" represented Christ and His work, and Azazel represented Satan.

I realize that the more prevalent view today is that both goats represented different aspects of the work of Christ. We can go on to discuss in more detail on a later post the pros and cons of these various understandings.

The forgiveness of God for humanity was always granted provisionally on the basis of Christ's shed blood. God sent His Son-- and His Son volunteered-- to die, because of God's love and mercy, but if Christ had not died for us, there never would have been forgiveness. God could not forgive sin without upholding His law. Therefore, it is accurate to say that forgiveness occurred when Christ died.




Feast of Trumpets-- first day of the seventh month-- Tishri

Day of Atonement-- tenth day of the seventh month

Feast of Tabernacles, or Booths-- from the 15th to the 21st day of the seventh month, with a solemn assembly on the 22nd.



These all represented various aspects in the history of the Jews as well as pointed to the future work of God in behalf of the salvation of all mankind.



The feast of the trumpets put the people on notice to prepare for Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. In the type, it occurred on the first day of Tishri, 10 days before the Day of Atonement. About 10 years before 1844, the message went out to the world that the time of God judgment was about to happen. The call to prepare for judgment continues to be given even today. I believe we are living in the antitypical day of Atonement right now, a time for afflicting our souls in humility, repentance, and faith.



Yes, Christ's death on the cross certainly fulfilled all the sacrifices. Christ also perfectly obeyed God's moral law. There will never need to be any more shedding of blood. That was done once and for all, never to be repeated. The Father totally accepted Christ's sacrifice. Jesus Christ fulfilled the whole law in the sense that it all pointed forwarded to His life and work, including His work that is going on now in our behalf in the heavenly sanctuary.

Hebrews 10:19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus [His life, which is our old life laid down in death], 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his flesh,....

There's no veil in heaven. Even in the earthly one it was ripped from top to bottom. Jesus is the veil. "In Christ" we stand in front of God by faith. We can go directly before God in Christ. He is the door, the veil. Jesus presents us in Himself, perfect and without blemish.

We get caught up way too much in the symbology of the sanctuary.....Christ is the living reality!!!

Thanks Robert, there's nothing like the Holy Writ to educate one on doubts, specially in this case where it is explicitly written in Heb 10:20.

Further on, I have more questions, I am actually trying to develop an explicit document where the whole sanctuary service with all its symbolic meanings and the actual sequence is plainly written out so as to get one to understand it perfectly.

Right, so far I understand the sacrifices as this:

Each father/Husband will bring a spotless 3 year old lamb, or one of the substitutes as in:



and the priest shall sacrifice a ram for his own sins as in:



My question, as this is for each family, how many sacrifices where done per day? Or did the priest prioratise how many he could do per day?

I mean there were a lot of people, if each family brough their sins offerings, the priest would have been busy all day each day!

I know it sounds silly but I just want this doubt removed from my heart for my own understanding.

Just thought of something else, surely there are still two compartments right?

A lot of blood lot of blood flowed, huh? As to questions on the sanctuary I'll let someone else answer....