As it stands written, the above means that there is no argument or evidence that Moses made the two apartments as God commanded. However, I have difficulty believing that this is the meaning intended, because the Bible is so clear that such a position is in error. Yet the reference to it as a "straw man" seems to point to the writer's acceptance of the truth that God did tell Moses to make the sanctuary with two divisions.

Just in case there is any disagreement over this point, Exodus 26: 33 says directly and plainly that it was God Himself who directed Moses to show by a vail the separation between the two apartments. "And thou shalt hang up the vail under the clasps, that thou mayest bring in thither within the vail the ark of the testimony: and the vail shall divide unto you between the holy place and the most holy."

Notice that the vail did not make the division. The vail simply made the division obvious.

I would also submit the clear teaching of Exodus 36: 43, which states: "And Moses did look upon all the work (of the construction and arrangement of the earthly sanctuary], and, behold, they had done it as the Lord had commanded, even so had they done it."

Exodus 40: 1-5 and 21 also show very clearly that it was the Lord who told Moses to put the vail between the two apartments.

Therefore, if we accept the Bible testimony, there can be no valid denial that Moses made the earthly sanctuary with two apartments just as God commanded.

I'll deal with the rest of the points in separate posts as I have opportunity.

Thanks John

This is becoming a tough nut to crack, so far I have already been called blasphemer as I am saying that the scape goat (and I showed her from Wikipedia what Azazel mean't) symbolizes the devil, including two whole pages of the GC.

She would like me to show her with scripture where does it say the scape goat symbolizes Satan, now I can't find any directly saying that, so it is due to translation that one can say it is, can you suppoort this?

I intend to continue participating here but I sure wish we could see a lot of members talking about what the Bible teaches on Christ's heavenly ministry.

I love this teaching! I see Jesus from beginning to end of it. Even if I were no longer to be an Adventist, this illustration from the OT would bring out love from me for my Saviour.

Yeah, more people would have been nice, although sometimes I think this lady has her mind set and when I absolutelly prove one point she simply "jumps" to the next, however I'd like to help her find the reality of all these beliefs because they are truth.

and as it is written, "Truth stes us free"

I agree.

Studying Jesus' work in the heavenly sanctuary helps open our eyes about what He is actively doing right now. It also helps us understand why He hasn't come yet. He sends the power of the Holy Spirit to us from there. It's the very center of His work of salvation.

I would keep studying with her about it as long as she shows interest in discussing it.

I think a lot of people possibly don't talk about this subject because they feel unsure of themselves and also because they are afraid of being asked questions they may not be able to answer. I believe that God allows us to be faced with questions, etc., in order to encourage us to study and find out what we believe and why.

I would not directly engage your post were you a brand new Xtian. The fact that you were new to Xtian thought would impose a responsibility upon me and upon how I respond. It is not a thing I might bear... well, responsibly. I’m hardly

the nourishing type.

It may be that your friend, also, may have a contribution or two that may be worth dwelling upon; for instance, does Writ state that one of the Atonement goats was called Azazel? and, if one of the goats was meant to symbolize Satan – why were both to be without spot or blemish? Would ‘without spot or blemish’ be descriptive of Satan? Perhaps, it is that

both goats were meant to represent two different functions of the Atonement, two aspects of the ministry of Jesus Christ.

The above stated, my participation would probably be superfluous at this point as – you and John317 are doing quite nicely.

Am I correct in assuming that "Xtian" means Christian?

(Just as "Xmas" means Christmas?)

I guess I was sleeping, of course that makes perfect sense now!



You like to use acronims don't you? By writ you mean bible, right?

Then yes, it actually does, although you will find it translated, but essentially that is what scape goat means.

So...to me, once you get the meaning of azazel, it should be pretty obvious! But I guess that is just me! Why would the Lord be sent into the wilderness, and if you use parallelism you see it happening again to Satan, after the second coming, he is thrown into the abyss, a desolate earth...pretty much wilderness to me!

Its like a "no-brainer", right?