Amen...brother...amen!

You don't have to decide to be lost to be lost. We are ALL by nature "children of wrath," Eph 2:3. Salvation comes with the acceptance of the Gift. And that requires a decision. All that one does to be lost is to "neglect such a great salvation," Heb 2:3 that is offered.

Gerry

While it's true that God waits, and waits, and waits some more, the sinner does not have eternity to make that decision. His repentance or lack thereof is sealed forever at the time he dies. So, if a person dies unrepentant, he's LOST!

If you think otherwise, let's see your Biblical reasons for believing so.

Gerry

Then stop quoting someone you don't believe has no authority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Gerry

Why don't you lay out your biblical reasons why in the end no one is lost and that everyone will be saved? I am inviting you to do so.

Gerry

Good Post. I think I agree with this one and coming from Gerry ... that is sayin somethin.

OK I know that all will not be "saved" but the provision has been made for all. Universal justification a better terminology? Point I was trying to make is that many will be saved who have not gone through the "process" amd your statements are not universally applicable. If you really believe the statements made by EGW regarding babies then that blows your other arguements right out of the water! mel

Yes, absolutely. Christ's sacrifice was sufficient to save all people who have ever lived.



Where do you find the Bible or Ellen White teach "universal justification"?



Where does the Bible teach or say that many will be saved who have never heard or accepted the gospel? Do you find evidence that the Bible says those who have rejected the gospel will be saved? Is the gospel optional, in your judgment?

If you believe people are saved apart from faith in Christ, on what basis are they saved? Are they saved because they are honest and good people?



I don't accept that understanding of what Ellen White saw or said. It seems to me that you are assuming her vision means people generally don't need the gospel in order to be saved.

But if we build our theology on the Bible-- which we must-- it is wrong to use our understanding of Ellen White's vision to contradict a clear teaching of the Bible. The clear teaching of the Bible is that Jesus Christ is the only way to be saved. We are commanded to preach and teach the gospel to every person alive on earth. The Bible does not encourage us to believe that the gospel is anything but absolutely essential. If God decides to save some people apart from the gospel, He is free to do that, of course, but that fact does not change the gospel commission or excuse us from obeying it.

We wouldn't be right to construct our view of salvation on the basis of Ellen White's vision of children flying in heaven.

If you believe the Bible teaches there is a second or alternative way to salvation, please present the evidence of what the Bible says it is.

What specific arguments do you believe are blown out of the water by Ellen White's description of the babies in heaven?

I take it, based on your comments here, that you do not believe in universal salvation. What, then, do you believe regarding salvation? How is a person saved in God's kingdom, according to your understanding of the Bible?