#177248 - 07/18/08 11:28 PM
Re: Cherumbims, Angels, and Beasts
[Re: carolaa]
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You're right. Doesn't Revelation describe angels in heaven as having six wings, and also covering their faces with their wings? I can't remember offhand. I guess I've never thought much about that. No, there is nothing in the book of Revelation that says this about angels. Angel simply means messenger, so it's hard to say. That angel simply means messenger is important in such verses as Rev. 2: 1 where the letters to the church are addressed "To the angel of the church of....." It could be that the letters were written to specific church leaders, such as the churches' elder or pastor.
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#177267 - 07/19/08 12:51 AM
Re: Cherumbims, Angels, and Beasts
[Re: John317]
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Daniel 9:21 NIVWhile I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice.
Daniel states that the humanoid creature had FLOWN and had a name.
What is the current theological stand... Is this an angel or was it Christ?
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#177268 - 07/19/08 12:55 AM
Re: Cherumbims, Angels, and Beasts
[Re: ChildofChrist]
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Gabriel is not Christ. Gabriel is a mere creature.
"flown"=travel through space. It is only reasonable that Bible writers would describe travel through space as "flying." They saw birds fly all the time and they used wings. So in their mind, of course travel through space had to be by wings. It was language they knew.
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Turning and turning in the widening gyre/ The falcon cannot hear the falconer;/ things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... Surely some revelation is at hand;/Surely the Second Coming is at hand. W.B. Yeats
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#177277 - 07/19/08 03:26 AM
Re: Cherumbims, Angels, and Beasts
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Isaiah 6:2 " Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. " "The revelation given to Isaiah was of the King, the Lord of hosts, a being greater than any earthly potentate. He was seated on a throne, high and lifted up, with bright-winged seraphim on either side as a royal guard. "Each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet [in token of reverence and humility], and with twain he did fly," representing an instant execution of the Lord's bidding. Heavenly beings stood around the throne of Omnipotence, waiting His commands, and swift in the performance of their service to the inhabitants of earth." {BEcho, September 9, 1895 par. 8}
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#177738 - 07/23/08 04:01 AM
Re: Cherumbims, Angels, and Beasts
[Re: carolaa]
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Thank you for all of your posts.
Redwood, I am especially thankful for your reference to Isaiah 6. That is another reference that I couldn't find when initially posting this.
Back to the basic question(s)....
Are the figures in Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Revelations the same creatures?
Are they different than the humanoid figures seen elsewhere such as Gabriel and other Angels seen by people throughout the Bible.
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