Something I am still learning is this: Just because the world is full of stupid people doesn't mean you have to correct every one of them. If you don't correct them, that doesn't mean you agree with them. Sometimes it's ok to let people spout off their ridiculous opinions and say nothing.

If it doesn't have to do with their salvation, there's no need to make a big deal out of it, especially with people you hardly know. If you have to say something, you can always say, "Well, that's an interesting thought."

I like what Carolaa said.

Carolaa has some wise words

Is there anyone else who wants to tell me I have a lesson to learn here about running my mouth too much?

How can you do anything for the Lord if you won't say anything?

Something I am still learning is this: Just because the world is full of stupid people doesn't mean you have to correct every one of them. If you don't correct them, that doesn't mean you agree with them. Sometimes it's ok to let people spout off their ridiculous opinions and say nothing.

If it doesn't have to do with their salvation, there's no need to make a big deal out of it, especially with people you hardly know. If you have to say something, you can always say, "Well, that's an interesting thought."

The effect of cheese is deleterious. Fine-flour bread does not impart to the system the nourishment that is to be found in unbolted wheat bread. Its common use will not keep the system in the best condition. {TSDF 135.2}

496. The use of soda or baking powder in breadmaking is harmful and unnecessary. Soda causes inflammation of the stomach and often poisons the entire system... {CD 316.2}

..If they see you, our son, eat the things we have condemned, you weaken our influence and lower yourself in their estimation... {14MR 313.1}

Health laws were given for our health..but not as a salvation issue.

..If they see you, our son, eat the things we have condemned, you weaken our influence and lower yourself in their estimation... {14MR 313.1}

I saw that your views concerning swine's flesh would prove no injury if you have them to yourselves; but in your judgment and opinion you have made this question a test, and your actions have plainly shown your faith in this matter. If God requires His people to abstain from swine's flesh, He will convict them on the matter..... If it is the duty of the church to abstain from swine's flesh, God will discover it to more than two or three. He will teach His church their duty. {1T 206.3}

Please don't try to say I don't care about people.

My only determination is to follow the Word of God, and if I do this, it will do alot for people. If I despise the Word of the Lord I will be lost and will lead others to be lost with me. Then you could say I don't care about people.

But it's not about me. As I've said, the focus needs to be where the problem lies so we can fix the problem. I'm not the problem. The problem is pride and hardness of heart.

If someone suffers for following inspired counsel because traditions have been established which are contrary to counsel, then something is wrong.

It's really a classic scenario.

Well let's start over again. I can't deny there is truth in this statement:

Such wisdom might apply to some cases, but not this one. Here's why:

1. These are not "stupid people", they are God's elect.

2. If they where merely "ridiculous opinions", they would not be subtle enough to confuse God's elect.

3. I listed a few cases where I have been misunderstood and even condemned just using only the Bible, and not tradition, for doctrine. That doesn't mean I am so unstable that I go around correcting every person I meet. It's irrational to assume that about someone you know nothing about.

4. Look how many arguments Jesus got into with people on the Sabbath, and the disciples also. There are very many cases of this. Why then would you exile Jesus from your Literature Evangelism program?

It's actually perfectly normal behavior to express your concerns and offer other perspectives on any given issue. It's normal if someone says: "Polygamists should get divorce", to say: "What about what Jesus said about divorce". If he gets angry because he can't come up with an answer, that doesn't mean you should blame the man who offered an alternate perspective.

5. The circumstances surrounding this event where shady, like in the night trial of Jesus. Things where done that where against the counsel of God:

Matt. 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and (1.) tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
18:16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] (2.) take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, (3.) tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, (4.) let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.

1. Tell him alone.
2. Bring a witness or two.
3. Tell the church.
4. He's no longer your brother.

Let's say it was a bad thing for me to tell this old man I wasn't sure that certain people should be made to get a divorce. Let's just imagine that really was a sin. They didn't confront me like Jesus instructed. They went strait to the head dean without telling me anything. They knew this man didn't like me and was looking for a reason to send me away. I'll explain why later.

Then let's say he skipped to step 3. "..if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen" I wasn't given a chance to hear anything. I was just found guilty and condemned. But it seemed that really wasn't enough to demonize me.

They also made me out to be a pedophile!

I suppose you would justify them for that too.

Why where they so dramatic?

Another leader gave the report that I had left tissue in the weight room. He didn't tell me about it, but went strait to the dean.

Another leader told me to not use my toothbrush in the van on the way to work. I said I was sorry and would never do it again. It was just an old habit. I had lived on my own for many years before that, and that's what I do when I go to work.

I never did it again after he told me.

Yet he tells the dean, and makes it out as if it where the most detestable thing a person could possibly do.

There was a female leader there who was perfectly single. I just told her I liked her and she told the dean!

Why all the hostility? It doesn't matter what I did, they would make a big deal out of it and make it look like it was bad.

The only thing that makes sense is he must have had a leader's meeting when I got there and told them I was a reprobate and they where to keep a close eye on me and report to him if I did anything. Their loyalty was as strong Joab's and his men who got a man killed to cover for the king's folly, (2 Sam. 11). They would never think their leader was wrong. If he said I was sent from the devil to harm their ministry, then that must be the case. They must have saw me as a devil. Seems kind of superstitious to me.

So am I a devil?

No. I just adhere to inspired counsel even if everyone else does not. I will not eat things that Ellen White said are bad. I read "Counsel on Diet and Foods" and I followed it by the letter. Did not God give her this inspiration? Was there not a reason she wrote those things? Is there not a cause? I had read all those books and many more by Ellen White. As many as I could find. Ellen White was a glorious discovery for me. I didn't know they where just selling them and not reading them.

But they served many things that I could not in good conscience eat.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.

Daniel 1:8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's meat...

I didn't say anything because there's also a counsel that says not to say anything about food, but to just quietly set an example. I'm still looking for the quote.

So I just quietly buy my own food with my own money and eat by myself. No one joins me. If they eat pancakes, everyone eats, but me. I just eat my own food. If they eat pizza, I eat my own food. Lots of refined noodles.



I know God never intended us to take the germ out of wheat. You know that was done because white bread lasted alot longer than whole wheat bread. That's obsolete now because of preservatives. But because of the force of tradition, white flour products are what people buy. It's so cheap because so many people buy it. So many buy it because it's so cheap. It's a vicious cycle. My conscience tells me to push the demand for whole grains and to defy tradition.

I was buying whole wheat spaghetti for them and making carrot juice for them, etc.



Am I wrong in this? Would you tell me to eat something God told me not to eat? I guess God didn't tell them anything because they never bothered to read the book. They just got their diet from their parents. It had never been a challenge for them to change their diet like for someone who was not raised in the church.

I'm reminded of this:

Luke 7:44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped [them] with the hairs of her head.
7:45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
7:46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, [the same] loveth little.

What a strange principle.


6. It is of the Lord to give kings and rulers wise counsel even through people of no repute, for the Lord is no respecter of persons. Sometimes they take it well and sometimes not.

Everyone knows about Nathan confronting David about the murder of Uriah the Hittite and his adultery in 2 Sam 12.

There's the time Joab rebuked David for his weeping over Absalom:

19:5 And Joab came into the house to the king, and said, Thou hast shamed this day the faces of all thy servants, which this day have saved thy life, and the lives of thy sons and of thy daughters, and the lives of thy wives, and the lives of thy concubines;
19:6 In that thou lovest thine enemies, and hatest thy friends. For thou hast declared this day, that thou regardest neither princes nor servants: for this day I perceive, that if Absalom had lived, and all we had died this day, then it had pleased thee well.
19:7 Now therefore arise, go forth, and speak comfortably unto thy servants: for I swear by the LORD, if thou go not forth, there will not tarry one with thee this night: and that will be worse unto thee than all the evil that befell thee from thy youth until now.

Strong words. But he was right, so the king heeded. But do our rulers think about these things if they are presented with some counsel? Or do they fall to pride as less honorable kings than David have done?

2 Chron. 18:16 Then he said, I did see all Israel scattered upon the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master; let them return [therefore] every man to his house in peace.
18:17 And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, Did I not tell thee [that] he would not prophesy good unto me, but evil?

18:23 Then Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah came near, and smote Micaiah upon the cheek, and said, Which way went the Spirit of the LORD from me to speak unto thee?

18:26 And say, Thus saith the king, Put this [fellow] in the prison, and feed him with bread of affliction and with water of affliction, until I return in peace.

How carnal! But Asa was a just man, not like Ahab. He brought reformation. He even took away the high places, which other good kings failed to do:

2 Chron. 14:2 And Asa did [that which was] good and right in the eyes of the LORD his God:
14:3 For he took away the altars of the strange [gods], and the high places, and brake down the images, and cut down the groves:
14:4 And commanded Judah to seek the LORD God of their fathers, and to do the law and the commandment.
14:5 Also he took away out of all the cities of Judah the high places and the images: and the kingdom was quiet before him.

Yet he did not overcome pride enough to take counsel that came from God:

2 Chron. 16:7 And at that time Hanani the seer came to Asa king of Judah, and said unto him, Because thou hast relied on the king of Syria, and not relied on the LORD thy God, therefore is the host of the king of Syria escaped out of thine hand.

16:10 Then Asa was wroth with the seer, and put him in a prison house; for [he was] in a rage with him because of this [thing]. And Asa oppressed [some] of the people the same time.

That must have broke Hanani's heart much worse than if it had been some wicked king that had condemned him.

What a tragedy! What would be even more tragic is if we didn't learn from this.

I have never heard of anyone murdering someone over health reform. That is a far stretch.

Simply put ... Love Won Another .... Red