Fair quote...except calling Jesus a holy terrorist that is not right, IMO!



...however the above shows them both reigning how do we get around that?

>>>Fair quote...except calling Jesus a holy terrorist that is not right, IMO!

If you look at the weapons of mass destruction and broad brush terror tactics employed throughout Revelation you must realize that God and Jesus are exactly that. For example:

Rev 6:
4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

>>>Rev 22:1 And he showed me a pure river of Water of Life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
...however the above shows them both reigning how do we get around that?

They share a throne. Jesus gets it first, then God.

Disagree! They share a throne, together!



I am not prepared to accept that! Those verses are represented in earth's history, and the devil is the one who caused all these disturbances not God or Jesus!

You need to study prophecy quite serious and have a change of heart my friend!

Statements like these: are an abomination and show the spirit of antichrist!

>>>Disagree! They share a throne, together!

The last I heard, you were going to study this...:

1Co 15:
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

How can you "disagree?" What does that mean?

The following verses tell me that both will reign together



The one below is a reminder, that we need to keep in mind who is Christ and what does He mean to us!



I never said the Jesus will be more than God, He submits to the Father's authority in more than one place in the holy writ!

>>>The following verses tell me that both will reign together
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness on the earth: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three are into the one...

Fausto, why do you feel you have to "come up with the right answer?" You know that this is a silly answer!

>>>I never said the Jesus will be more than God, He submits to teh Father's authority in more than one place in the holy writ!

Fausto, quit playing games. You know this is a silly answer as well!

Seventh-day Adventists have never believed that only Adventists or Sabbath keepers will be saved. Some have gotten that impression either because the message is sometimes not expressed very well or because the listener is not listening very well. Sometimes people stop listening before they understand what is being said.

Are you influenced by the "Jehovah's Witnesses" in your views? You seem to have several important, distinctive views of theirs-- that the saved don't go to heaven and that Jesus is not God. (I actually share many of their views, too--- not, however, the one's I've mentioned here.)

Have you read Jack Sequiera's book, Christ Speaks To Laodicea? What do you think of chapter 5? He talks there about the differences between works of the law (legalism) and works of faith. See pp. 24-29.

He also talks about the results of genuine justification. A genuinely justified person will not refuse to obey what he knows is the will of God. And there can be no doubt that God would have everyone keep the seventh-day Sabbath. According to Christ, is a gift to all mankind. And it is also a test, just like the tree in the garden of Eden was a test.

>>>...Are you influenced by the "Jehovah's Witnesses" in your views? You seem to have several important, distinctive views of theirs-- that the saved don't go to heaven and that Jesus is not God. (I actually share many of their views, too--- not, however, the one's I've mentioned here.)

I think it was JWs I encountered on the street who first challenged my assumption that God is a Trinity and that sinners go to Hell. I've never done a study with them or visited a kingdom hall. I have learned a lot from many people, but the bulk of my view comes from own study.

I've enjoyed studying their teachings and literature and also getting to know many of them personally. I studied with them for quite a while back in the 1970s, but then again more recently I met with a few them, including an "overseer," for close to two years about twice a week for 2-4 hours each time. I basically just asked them questions about their beliefs during that time, because my motive was simply to understand what they believe.

I believe they are right about death and Hell, wrong about the Trinity and wrong about believers not going to heaven. They believe that only the 144,000 go to heaven and most of those are already in heaven as spirit-beings.

Their founder, Russell, was influenced by a former Millerite and Sunday-keeping Adventist, George Storrs, who wrote a book on the state of man in death. That is why they have some ideas in common with Seventh-day Adventists. They are almost identical to our beliefs on many things, including the 70 week prophecy of Daniel 9. Back in the 1920,30s, they believed as we do on the 1, 260 day prophecy of Daniel 7. (Most JWs are unaware of this.)

Russell at first believed that Christ came invisibly in 1874; then he changed it to 1914, on the basis of Daniel 4. He also had some very strange beliefs concerning the Pyramids of Egypt, about Abraham coming back to life and living in San Diego, and numerous other beliefs, which they no longer hold.

The Bible is not their main authority for truth. That authority resides in the organization headquartered in New York. A faithful Jehovah's Witness will believe anything that he is told by the "faithful and discreet slave," who they understand to be the top leadership of their organization, the Watchtower.