#177686 - 07/22/08 07:42 PM
Male Brutes
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Are we ALL Brutes ??? "Women are forced to a life of hardship, pain and suffering, because of the uncontrollable passions of men who bear the name of husband--more rightly could they be called brutes." {PH101 9.2} husbands ... brutes brutes .... husbands I pray that's not meant for me.
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#177691 - 07/22/08 09:42 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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I don't know what "PH" is in your citation, but just taking the snippet that you pulled from it; the answer would be no, and most men wouldn't be.
The quote says the husband that forces his wife into a life of hardship, pain and suffering that type of husband would be the "brute"; but not the general population.
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#177702 - 07/23/08 01:34 AM
Re: Male Brutes
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#177708 - 07/23/08 01:44 AM
Re: Male Brutes
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Oh, Redwood, are you feeling a little bored?
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#177709 - 07/23/08 01:48 AM
Re: Male Brutes
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I are de gentlest brute around
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#177728 - 07/23/08 03:11 AM
Re: Male Brutes
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Oh, nothing metrosexual about me at all - beefy and hairy all the way  Just gentle
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#177732 - 07/23/08 03:18 AM
Re: Male Brutes
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#177737 - 07/23/08 03:41 AM
Re: Male Brutes
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 HHouuummmmmmah, jus B kerfl you talkn about us broots 'ahin' 'r bakz. sniff n snuff. sppTAHH - splat! 'er ul sic m'wyf on ye!!! /dAb
Edited by D. Allan (07/23/08 03:44 AM)
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#177790 - 07/23/08 05:40 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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Thanks dAb. Great picture. And how appropriate for this thread. Ya all are brutes.
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#177792 - 07/23/08 05:48 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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I'm sorry Liz. PH is Pamphlet. It is a Pamphlet with the Testimony Relative to Marriage Duties and Extremes in The Health Reform (1869)
PH always stands for Pamphlet. Followed by the Pamphlet number.
But it is also in Counsels on Health , Messages to Young People, 2T , And the 1899 Review and Herald.
I just quoted the original posting from Mrs. White.
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#177793 - 07/23/08 06:02 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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I didn't put it in any kind of context. I'm just askin the questions. But you are free to provide us with any perceived context.
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#177794 - 07/23/08 06:04 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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Oh, Redwood, are you feeling a little bored? Ha Ha. You guessed right. Gotta stir up some good conversation. Things were getting boring. Time for a few snippets.
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#177795 - 07/23/08 06:04 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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"Women are forced to a life of hardship, pain and suffering, because of the uncontrollable passions of men who bear the name of husband--more rightly could they be called brutes." {PH101 9.2} uncontrollable means nothing can be done about it. nothing can control them. Didn't she have any advice?
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#177797 - 07/23/08 06:16 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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"Women are forced to a life of hardship, pain and suffering, because of the uncontrollable passions of men who bear the name of husband--more rightly could they be called brutes." {PH101 9.2} uncontrollable means nothing can be done about it. nothing can control them. Didn't she have any advice? Apparently ... it is "uncontrollable". What can one do about it?
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#177798 - 07/23/08 06:22 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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No woman should aid her husband in this work of self-destruction. She will not do it if she is enlightened and has true love for him. Ellen White, Adventist Home, pp. 124-126.
I think the poor lady suffered from a lot of guilt feelings about this subject. She even felt guilty about having one of her children because it interfered with her travels promoting her religious ideas.
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#177799 - 07/23/08 06:23 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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Even men and women professing godliness give loose rein to their lustful passions, and have no thought that God holds them accountable for the expenditure of vital energy, which weakens their hold on life and enervates the entire system." Ellen White, Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 472.
Like you said ... it is uncontrollable even for the very elect. I guess I am fortunate that I don't have much energy to be held accountable to.
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#177800 - 07/23/08 06:23 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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Yes, she was talking about sex...
The last sentence reflects the "medical" thinking of her era that sex drained a man of his life force. She and those promoting this line of thinking believed that sex was for procreation only.
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#177803 - 07/23/08 06:38 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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"I was shown that Brother and Sister Van Horn had departed from God's counsel in bringing into the world children. God required all there was of them in His work and both could have done a good work for the Master, but the enemy came in and his counsel was followed, and the cause of God was robbed of the attention it should have had... The time has come when, in one sense, they that have wives be as though they had none." - Ellen White, MS 34, 1885 " Be fruitful and multiply."
Edited by D. Allan (07/23/08 06:40 PM)
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#177813 - 07/23/08 08:17 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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"Love One Another"
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#177819 - 07/23/08 10:37 PM
Re: Male Brutes
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Oh wait, if being a 'brute' means still enjoying sex after all the children are conceived, can I change my answer? Gotta remember that this was written prior to easy access to birth control, so there were definite issues of the number of children a woman had...
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#177888 - 07/24/08 05:32 AM
Re: Male Brutes
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I think we also need to remember that in earlier times women were taught to basically "grin and bear it" when the husband wanted sex. There was no joy to be had on the womans part. So men would indeed be considered brutes for wanting something that woman looked upon as a chore.
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