John....

come on....67 pages of the definition of sin?????


I can see 10 pages....I can even see 20 pages.....but 67? soon to be 68??? Oh, puleeeeze....

Sounds like you would be a good person to have join the exchange and show in detail what the truth is in these matters.

What is each of the major "sides" saying? How do you understand the main positions?

What is your own personal conviction? How do you think these 2 views should be expressed in a way that communicates with the other?

Cluck, cluck, cluck, Ima chicken.... cluck cluck cluck...Ima chicken....


Actually, I did try....I am done trying....and since I am now 2nd bad boy of the ClubAdventst forum, I need to reclaim my title as THE BAD BOY of ClubAdventist. ...so now, I am only trying...as my friend Redwood would accuse me of...

I'm sincerely sorry to hear that. I was looking forward to your analysis.

And by the way, I really don't think of you in those terms, "bad boy." Do you know of anyone who does? Let me have a talk with them! LOL

What?!!?! and ruin my reputation???? Why YOU, sir, must be mad!!!

I tried to divert the discussion on "New Theology" to a thread called "New Theology", in the hope of keeping this thread on topic, but it didn't work. So, people want to talk about different things here. It wouldn't be accurate to say all these pages are about "the definition of sin". That's just where it started.

Paul says that whenever we get together we should prophesy. And that's what we've been doing here.

1 Cor. 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or [one] unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on [his] face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Prov. 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

So if God's people are willing to do this when they meet together, I wouldn't try to stop them. If someone was able to write all that discussion down it might fill up several libraries. I guess it would be a weariness of the flesh to read all that.

Solomon sums up the whole DUTY of man. It's not about learning, it's about DOING. You need to put what you learn in real life practice.

On http://www.christian-forum.net/ you see mobs of people refusing to DO what God said, but they think they can keep searching and find out who the Antichrist is and what they can do to avoid the Mark of the Beast. They are on a never-ending quest. They will never know the truth until they do what God commands, and then God will GIVE it to them.

2 Tim. 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Job 11:7 Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?

Solomon's book would also need to be hand written out millions of times so he needed to bring it to a close and sum it all up. Very good closing statement in my opinion.

I also try to keep my posts as concise as possible so as not to weary anyone.

I respect your opinion, Niel. If you think this thread is boring, say something. I think you have a taste for jokes and stuff, but not everyone is like that:

Ecc. 7:2 [It is] better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that [is] the end of all men; and the living will lay [it] to his heart.
7:3 Sorrow [is] better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.
7:4 The heart of the wise [is] in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools [is] in the house of mirth.
7:5 [It is] better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.
7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so [is] the laughter of the fool: this also [is] vanity.

Back to Job being on trial. We also see Paul on trial, and how he says good things about himself. Is he self-righteous, or is he bragging?

Acts 26:4 My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;
26:5 Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.
26:6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:
26:7 Unto which [promise] our twelve tribes, instantly serving [God] day and night, hope to come. For which hope's

I don't think so. He said had not been a lawless man, but he had been doing his best to serve God from his youth. He hadn't done anything deserving death, but was on trial for his faith and because of his love for God.

Both Job and Paul where speaking by the Inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

I'm sure there are other verses where people who are on trial say good things about themselves. But if they where to confess something they are not guilty of it would not be self-sacrificing. It would lying.

Neil is a 'bad boy' but falls second to me.

I do very much appreciate Neil and his statement that we are talking past each other especially on this topic. I happen to believe that we are all much closer in our views that we are apart. I believe this is the point of what Neil (bad boy Neil) is saying. Well .... I've said enough. Signing off (Bad Boy Red)

Please...you can do better than this can't you? I mean do you just make this stuff up as you go or what?

What did Job state? "I uttered that I understood not...." What was it that Job was doing...what was he saying? Right, he was presenting all the good things he did outwardly. He justified himself before God. This is why he repented...he repented of self-righteousness!

Rob

God partially abandoned Job because of his self-righteous attitude, but it was Satan who punished Job. This should be a lesson to all holier than thou folks....

Job's three friends were accusing Job of some secret sin. Elihu, on the other hand, wasn't! He accurately accused Job of justifying himself before God. Note that it was Job's three friends that repented...not Elihu. Here:

Job 42:7 After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.” 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the LORD told them; and the LORD accepted Job’s prayer.