Rush4Hire, I'm sorry you are feeling that everyone is attacking you and I'm also sorry that everyone seems to be actually attacking you.
I don't think it is for any of us to say how she should "behave". It is not up to any of us to keep lists on each other or tell someone when they are appropriate or not. Are we all appropriate at all times? I think not. I've read some of your comments!
Just because you don't see things the way someone else does, doesn't make you right or wrong. How you see Christ in your own life is what makes your life worthwhile, period.
Rush4Hire should never have to defend herself to anyone like what I have read.
I do think that what some of the people here are saying is that in our witness for Christ it is always best to try to emulate Him. To "turn over the moneychangers tables" in every conversation we have can have a negative impact on our image to others.
If I were you, Rush, I'd be angry if I grew up in a home like that, too. It would take a lot of love to change those harsh feelings. It would make me defensive, too.
The church and the church family love you like you are and we accept you.

Am I casting my pearls before swine? Do you mock me?

Do you despise the words of Jesus?
Matt. 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Let me ask you, where these brethren angry at me? Did they have a cause? Answer that for me please.

Here again:

Romans 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

I was grieved with their meat and they destroyed me. That's what happened. Paul said if they are eating something that causes their brother to stumble, they should not eat it or they will be destroying their brother.

1 Cor. 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Paul is sensitive to both sides. But the counsel is clear. It's not on the side of those who want to be careless about food.

Maybe they feel they are at liberty to eat things sacrificed to the idol of industry. That's their perspective. But it doesn't edify. It looks bad. It may destroy people. It's a perspective thing with Paul. Paul may be the most intellectual and most highly educated prophet in the Bible.

This is not about meat. It's about a principle.

Romans 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed [are] pure; but [it is] evil for that man who eateth with offence.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.

If I would have eaten, I would have been damned, for I doubted. I would not have been eating of faith but with offense. That's what it says.

I didn't give them trouble about it. I did everything right. Now you accuse me. Now you add to my shame and reproach and continue hardening your hearts in your partial appreciation for the Scriptures and the counsels of God.

Be honest with me. Be strait with me. What spirit is this that takes control over you when you cast discouragement upon a brother who looks to the Word of God for everything?



Sin is breaking God's law. Refusing God's counsel is presumption and persistent refusal of God's counsel will always lead to sin. God gives counsel to help you resist temptation. God will not be ashamed that He gave counsel in vain because God has never given any counsel just for fun or just to mess with us. Despising God's counsel will always lead to sin. It's presumptuous.

The Devil:
#1. Causes you to doubt the Word of God.
#2. Causes you to do something presumptuous.
#3. Causes you to sin.

That's the 1, 2, 3 method he even tried to use on Jesus in the desert, (Matt. 4:3-10). That must be his most effective method to get us to sin.

Now tell me again what I did wrong.

Tell me. Be strait with me. Tell me what I should have done.

Yes, that is what seems to be missing overall........

John 13:34,35
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 15:12
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

John 15:17
These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Romans 12:10
Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

Wow Rush. You don't know me at all and yet you think I am angry at you. I am not angry in the least. I was not mocking you in the least and am very sorry if it came across that way. So I appologize for any hurt feelings I may have caused becuase that was not my intent in the least. I was just saying that I have never seen anyone murder anyone for health reform reasons.

I would never presume to tell you what you should have done. I wasn't there, I can't judge them or you becuase I didn't see or hear any of what took place. I still strongly believe that health reform is for our "health" not for our "salvation" and yes that is from all the study I've done (and yes I have read just about everything that EGW has ever written..except for some manuscripts etc..but I have all the books, and have and continue to study both her writings and the Bible.) and no I am not trying to twist anything to suit me. (BTW I am very conservative in my diet so I am not looking for loop holes.)

And...I do not in any way hate you, despise you, wish to mock you, judge you, or anything else.

You are of infinite worth and are God's creation.

Of ALL the people on this Forum ... Taylor is the opposite of how you portray Rush. If ANY one puts Christianity into action ... Taylor is the one. If ANY one is kind and considerate ... Taylor is the one.

May I respectfully suggest ... that you are a little too sensitive and defensive. And lashing out before you know what you are talking about ... is not a good approach.

We as Christians 'ought' to be able to differ without lashing out at each other when we don't have the slightest bit of knowledge about the other person.

Yes, I do preach tolerance a lot. But I think tolerance and love are important.

Yeah, if you are gonna lash out at anyone, lash out at me. For 2 reasons-
1] I got big shoulders
2] I'm the bad boy of the forum.......although, with Red's growing poppys, I might have to be rerated as the 2nd bad boy...

Hey, Rush...What's iniquity? How does that relate to sin?

Oh, and try to be sucinct...brief...short in your answer....

...them long winded things just aren't readable...


[told you I was a bad boy!]

I agree with you Neil. I am now #1 . But I do have to give much credit to you. You were my tuitor. I imitated you. I learned from you. You are the man.



Again I agree with you. If the post is very long ... I just skip over it.



Yes. That you are. But as we have determined ... you are demoted to #2 .

I just might add ... that if Rush wanted to admit to being 'bad' then I would welcome him to our club. But for some reason ... I doubt that he will join us Neil.

Ok, I will let you b #1...I've had it for a long enough time, and I am willing to share it from time to time...But warning: I might take it from you from time to time without asking you...




Hmmmm...All that means is that I will have to do the Avis thingy...and "try harder." Besides, with me being the liberal and you a 'wicked liberal' [aka conservative republican growing poppies for $$$], I am surprized that you are not claiming #2 statis...



The reason for this is because there is a lot of and and going on in our Bad Boy Club. If he joins, he might have to break into a smile.....and with his so serious posts, that would break his face.... or his fingers