There is such a scam going on right now.

It talks, and provides 'evidence' for the collapse of the US end of this month, Martial Law declared so there can be no fall US election, etc etc. How the "church" is hiding this for various reasons.

Testimonies of "high" ranking people all over the world.

Some of our members have been instructed to book moving vans and uHauls now to move out to isolated areas.

They seem to be successfully targeting our Seniors.

Have others been getting 'their' emails? Some Pastors are even promoting this from the Pulpit.

Unbelievable..

I think we should not be alarmists, yet we should not dismiss this as an improbable scenario. The economic collapse is not as a far fetched idea as you think it is.

All that has to happen is a couple of major banks to fail and the panic sets in. Especially in the larger cities, in which case in order to maintain the order, I don't see any alternatives to some kind of marshal law. Right now we are at the threashold of the hyperinflation, if the Fed continues bailing out those banks by means of new credit infusion.

The collapses are ussually not due to economy failing per se, but to the panic that sets in as the "economy is failing". Due to the Fractional Reserve banking system, there are not enough holdings in the bank to cover the deposits. It goes for any bank in town. Most of the money floats around as loan money, which banks shuffle the remainder to sutisfy our daily banking needs. When people panic and start withdrawing money, the whole scheme goes falling down. Essentially, that was one of the things that triggered the Great Depression.

While I would not worry about money in the bank, I think it is important to realize that life in the cities is solely depended on the system to provide the food and such needs from outside. Cities don't grow their food, they buy it from outside. If the flow is interrupted by the panic and hoarding, what do you think would happen? People will just patiently wait? No... the panic would set in, and you can count on riots happening which can only be put down by some kind of martial law system.

Now which part of the above do you think is improbable and unbelievable? While I don't think it is wise to run for the woods at this point, I think it is certainly wise to keep a pantry with a couple of months supply to keep you and your family going. I guess it's my personal preferrence, but I choose to live in mid sized cities, which are in the middle of farming communities for that reason.

While I agree that there are people who capitalize on Y2K type of scares, this one is highly probable and is not something to be dismissed by ridiculing.

Hope the above makes sence.

Marshal Law!!!! lol
Maybe you mean martial law?

I have a hard time with believing that this scenerio is gonna happen....

Let's imagine that the banks do collapse...What will people do then? Well, they exchange thier expertise for whatever they desire.... my respiratory skills for food....or a place to live....Shane's archect-atory skills for a home, or food....

sure, it willl happen, but is it something that will cause panick? Not to the common folk...Bardering has always been around....It's a bit slower, and will cause some of us to take stock in our abilities...

All these type of storys do is scare the be-geeb-bers out of everyone....

Neil, that would be all well and possible if we lived in 19 century. The problem with 21 century American economy is that everything revolves around the uninterrupted fluidity which is highly compartmentalized. For example, if you speculatively raise the price of gas to mere 6$ per gallon, that would mean really expensive Caesar salad for folk up north.

Hehe, I'm from Rusha, I spell it how I hear it :) (well, I did not, but it's fun to pretend) Who invented english? Why do we need the extra letters? K in front of the knife... all kinds of inconsistent rules and exceptions (especially when it comes to pronunciation) :)

I still spell colour with "our", and it's hard to unlearn that.

That may be, but then again, that doesn't mean that they have to buy it. An underground bargain economy has been going on for years, and since I came onto the scene, at least 30 years. You might see some of it in the Farmer Markets that are going on today...granted, they still take money...but don't tell me that there are other things that are not being traded...

I don't dispute that farming communities would be able to survive, which I briefly mentioned. I would like to see how a nearby farmers market would be able to feed the overcrowded New York City, or Chicago for example :)? Hungry people riot and loot. Martial law will go in effect for these cities if that would be the case.

If you think that there is only the farmer markets and grocery stores that are available to get food, you are saddly mistaken....there are restuarants, food banks, back yards, vacant lots that can grow food...There are lots of bargining items, ie my rt skills on ONE patient for 2 weeks of food...There are co-ops that can distribute food...There are lots of ways that people can get food, besides looting and rioting....

And there are lots of pathways BEFORE gettting to the point of rioting....You underestimate the resourcefulness of people...

QR frame:

Pollyanna gets mugged and raped.

I did hear this theory. I don't think it was from an email, but I can't remember for sure where I heard it. As I recall, the context was that this information was being leaked from that top secret meeting that Congress had a while back. Supposedly the purpose of that meeting was to let Congress know how close the economy is to collapse (sometime in Sept) and that of course they expect a backlash/revolution against the entire administration, including Congress, by the public, so they wanted to make sure all members of Congress know where their official hiding places are so they will be safe when the public comes after them.

Best guesstimation for an 'Event' would place it in

October.

Food supplies are mostly distributed by then and, except for a few areas in the nation, the next crops (a few veggies) won't be coming in for approximately - another 8-9 months.

The next general harvest would be a year from this upcoming Octoberfest (hurt not the wine ).

Incidentally, why is the Govt buying all the nitro-packed food on the market? creating the present shortage... The big houses which sell nitro-packed foods place delivery for today's orders as - a year out - in '09; if you know how to whistle Dixie...

Not suggesting anything frightful. I don't know - then again, who does?

10.10

and chicken little goes about screaming "the sky is falling; the sky is falling."

It's a good thing to be aware. Just be sure you know how to spell "The sky is falling"! And "Fire! Fire!"

"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." John 14:27 KJV
Regards!

trouble is that there was something called the Marshal Plan once upon a time. Is there some confusion?

>>...and chicken little goes about screaming "the sky is falling; the sky is falling."<<

And, Pollyanna still gets mugged and raped.

A conspiracy-minded friend of mine has been saying for at least 2 years that Bush will not step down in January 2009: some crisis will occur or be manufactured that will mean the elections will be postponed and Bush will continue in power.

I've never believed him and still don't, but as theories go it's at least as plausible as whatever the underpinnings of this one are.

I think Stan's original goal was to avoid people being scammed by the unscrupulous. Whatever you think might happen to the economy in the future, giving a large amount of your money to a conman is not going to make it easier for you and your family to survive through it.

Responding to your friend - olger says "L u d i c r o u s."

Well, like the prediction that the world would end on 08/08/08, it's an empirically testable prediction: all we have to do to test it is keep on living for another few months!

>>...but as theories go it's at least as plausible as whatever the underpinnings of this one are.

I think Stan's original goal was to avoid people being scammed by the unscrupulous. Whatever you think might happen to the economy in the future, giving a large amount of your money to a conman is not going to make it easier for you and your family to survive through it.<<

As far as theories go – this one was introduced by Stan.



Seems to me that EGW suggested the same; so, obviously, the question obtains – is the congregation, once again, simply picking and choosing – what to accept and what to reject, not this time from Writ, but from the pen of ‘the prophet’?

My contribution to the thread is predicated upon the following and is basically cautionary:



Further developed by noting an act of Govt that, ordinarily, is telltale, following:



And cautioned:



That said, one exemplifies the epitome of foolishness to have, today, the opportunity to insure that his family stands the best chance against unnecessary deprivation – should the unforeseen occur – and does nothing.

It is said that it is better to be 30 years too early, than 1 day too late. Good advice.

>>Well, like the prediction that the world would end on 08/08/08,<<

Should you be referring to my thread that begins with a cut from an article specifically built upon the number 8, that is, 08:08:08–08.08.08 – than it is hoped you read more carefully than seemingly, did dgrimm60

:-o

Per application to an existing Executive Order to implement a state of martial law, well, technically, as well as legally, we are already under martial law – it, never having seen its sunset from the Civil War. That is the dirty secret that has allowed the Govt to do much as it has. Anyway,

I hope things go on as expected; as, I intend to cast my November vote for the ticket of McCain/Palin.

Now, that Palin is a natural; kick fundament, girl!

Watch naomi wolf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

I just think we'd get a little more warning than that. We could take this as a warning of what will happen eventually after we have done all we can for the world in giving them a legitimate warning. And I can't hurt to speculate the possiblities of what will actually take place, using much Scripture and EGW.

I will read the thoughts here in a minute.

Anyway, I saw this post:
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=22436

There are 3 short videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy7urlWLP84&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcuxA5gCR9k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3H2HM0Fypg&feature=related

I wasn't going to bother with it, but this anti-Sabbath fanatic said something about the Apostles worshiping on Sunday. The author of the thread said the Sunday-law part was only the last 5 seconds, but the rest of the information was good.

The guy in the video seemed very confident that the smoking ex-Illuminati guy's information was so dead on that there can be no question whatsoever that there WILL BE A CRASH in the economy and just get ready for it and don't ask questions.

Thank you for that Joe. There is wisdom there. It's based on actual historic facts. Here is another good one I found right away.

Olbermann: the beginning of the end of America

Here's a funny attempt for a dramatization:
NAOMI WOLF ON BLACKWATER YAHOO FASCISM COMING TO USA

Here's a good case against what we call "corporate media".
Shepard Smith Explodes at Naomi Wolf!

She had some good points to make but the guy became startled when she said something about women wanting to get their "babies out of Iraq". And it doesn't make sense that he insulted her and shut her down for that. She was talking about the election and how people are voting, and started saying:

"McCain is saying 'Let's be another hundred years in Iraq. I was in Texas and conservative women where saying: "Let's get our babies out of Iraq'."

And corporate media shut her down and this evil beast attacked her comments about Fox News and mocked all humanity by saying "And I think to say 'let's get our babies out of Iraq': Last time I checked everyone over there is at least 18."

What kind of a statement is that?!

Then she started to say "18 year olds are somebodies babies." She had a point he certainly couldn't refute. Why would that guy shut her down for saying that?

You don't have to go to far, or even dive into the "conspiracy theory" if don't believe that such could be possible. Recent new:




Make your own conclusions...

I suspect this will strengthen the financial markets and the US dollar. Time will tell.

I wish you were right on this Stan.

Its time for people to get very close to God. Daily bible study and prayer. Only He can save us. Only He can give us comfort. Only He can ease our pain.
He is the one I put my faith and trust in.

To say that this move will strengthen the dollar, is like saying that another loan will strengthen the position of a person neck deep in debt... or another fix will help drug addict.

It does not help, it just makes things worse off. Although, honestly I don't know what else choices they got but to bail out these "cheap credit" companies by plunging US deeper into debt. The other alternative, is to let the natural way of things resume, and the economy will self adjust (it will be painful), loose some weight and revive. Right now it is a fat man which can barely walk, yet people are yelling ... look how big and strong he is!

The sooner we realize that our current way of life is unsustainable because it is constantly borrows from the future generations to finance the luxuries of today... many times at the expense of the third world.... the better...

http://gospelministry.org/blog/?page_id=486

David Gates talking about our crisis and what it means. Is this all "Bull Roar"?

Any particular body of believers or notorious speakers? Seems to fit into the signs of the times.

"And you will hear of....rumors....; see that you are not frightened or troubled, for this must take place, but the end is not yet." Matthew 24:6 AMP
Regards!

Guess we don't have to surmise now. How does that song go__ "I can hear the angels comin'"

Exciting times. A lot of people are hurting and it's not going to get any better, at least not for long.

Come quickly, Lord Jesus.

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I still spell colour with "our", and it's hard to unlearn that.

Don't worry, fccool, just keep spelling colour the same way that you learned to spell -- you are correct. You are spelling it the same way as the British and Australians spell it, so. see -- you are in very good company!!

Beryl

Lol I went to school in the USA system but we had Brittish Spelling books so I spell like a Brit too..and have to readjust myself all the time..."colour" and other such words are constantly being corrected by my American Friends who say "that is spelled incorrectly". :)

There are always those who will try to trick the elderly into believing a pack of untruths. I tend to be skeptical of the nay sayers that say the sky is falling of the economy is failing and to buy gold from them etc. Yeah right. I tend to wait and see what happens.

Guess what happened to the Jews in Jerusalem, who did not believe that "the sky is falling". They ended up dying of starvation and resorted to eating their children. It was horrible. I believe that what's coming will likewise be horrible.

If you wait, then it will be too late if the sky does come down. You don't have to do much to prepare. Back in the days, preparing for the winter was common sense. You canned food and etc. Today this is considered paranoid. Either way, it's better to be safe than sorry.

The worst thing that can happen is for your food to increase in value as the food prices rise. Think about it... if you keep the money in the bank, you get 4% gain if you are lucky and 5.37% inflation rate, once again... if you are lucky. You loose money :). If you do invest it in food (or gold)... you will gain simply by not letting your assets devaluate.

We need the k's in knife and knight and the same word "read" to be pronounced "red" and "read" depending on context so that we can tell when the Russians are typing or speaking vs the 'aenglish!

Likewise, if the government has any doubt that someone is a foreign spy, they give them American History test. If they pass... it's most likely that they are spies. :)

This past two weeks' events just show how quickly our money can become worthless.

Evidently the Lord has further work for each of us to do with our money, since today the House of Representatives voted to approve the $700B bailout plan.

Now we'll see what can be done with all that money [and we'll begin to see our taxes rising in order to pay for it].

The economic ship of state is tipping precariously. We know its balance will soon be lost. Makes me feel I should be investing more of my funds into the Lord's work, rather than in my own savings account.