I was responding to what you were saying. Couldn't you respond to your belief rather than the belief of my Pastor.

Since you have studied her a lot and have thought about these things as long as you have, I would like to know what you think about it.

John ... you made the comment. I wanted to clarify if this is what you believe. Because from what I interpret from your post ... it is. Can you clarify what you meant by your post about the 'shut door'?

The only comment I made was:



Then you asked the following questions:



I believe the statement I made.

To answer your question, we would need to talk specifically about a particular quote and not about generalities.

Ahhh. Then you are saying that sometimes either can be true? There is no universal rule? It depends upon the quote.

Hi Ray thanx for responding to my post it's good to have open dialogue. However there are two things from your points that need clarification.
I also have studied and read Hebrew and Greek and even if the word is Holy as suggested (although quite frankly I am away from my books at the moment and I doubt that this translation is correct) It would make no sense in the passage since Holy is used to describe both men and women in Old testament and the new also the context of the passage has nothing to do with the Temple but rather the statutes of living in Israel(this is also the reason your translation is questionable)

Second What Biblical example do you have for a prophet's call being negated because of human anointing? Paul was and is considered a prophet yet he was one of the early Christians to be anointed by the Church. Your argument about EGW seems based on opinion especially since we have a record of her being Ordained by the Church. I would really like further explanation as to how the churches anointing negates her calling.


The Bible is clear on what being anointed pertains to, and from every example I have seen in the Scriptures It's the Community acknowledging what God is doing in his work among his workers. Paul and Barnabas were anointed by the church only after they showed the works of God manifest in there lives.

About the "shut door" in relation to Ellen White's gift of prophecy, my comment was that,"She never claimed that the messages from God taught that the 'shut door' teaching was a true doctrine. In fact, it was as a result of visions that she was led to see that the 'shut door' concept was wrong."

If you want to go beyond that and draw conclusions or arrive at principles on the basis of the statement, you're free to do it, of course.

But if we have studied the writings of Ellen White, we know that early on in the work of Ellen White, she had some misunderstandings that she had to unlearn, and one of these was the popular concept among the Millerites of "the shut door."

However, Ellen White didn't write any error because of this belief, and she never claimed that God confirmed by a vision "the shut door" theory.

So then ... unless she says that the Lord has confirmed each of her statements individually ... then we can assume that they are not from God? How is it that we can know which of her statements are from God and which of her statements are not?

I watched that video and it was actually pretty good, though I thought it would be dull. The information was well presented. It was very balenced, seeing all sides of the issue.

There is no reason to ban this video.

I'm sure the other ones are just as good:

Agents of Hope: God's Great Missionaries

One more thing. This caught my attention:



Are you sure about that verse?

Duet. 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

I'm not sure what that has to do with ordaining women. It looks like you think it's not translated very well?



Gen 38:21 Then he askedthe men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot,(qede^sha^h) that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot (qede^sha^h) in this place.

Gen 38:22 And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot (qede^sha^h) in this place.

Deu 23:17 There shall be no whore (qede^sha^h) of the daughters,of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons,of Israel.

Hos 4:14 I will not punish,your daughters when they commit whoredom, nor your spouses when they commit adultery: for themselves are separated with whores, and they sacrifice with harlots: (qede^sha^h) therefore the people that doth not understand shall fall.



Deu 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters,of Israel, nor a sodomite (qa^de^sh) of the sons,of Israel.

1Ki 14:24 And there were also sodomites (qa^de^sh) in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before,the children of Israel.

1Ki 15:12 And he took away the sodomites (qa^de^sh) out of the land, and removedall the idols that his fathers had made.

1Ki 22:46 And the remnant of the sodomites, (qa^de^sh) which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

2Ki 23:7 And he broke downthe houses of the sodomites, (qa^de^sh) that were by the house of the LORD, where,the women wove hangings for the grove.

Job 36:14 They die in youth, and their life is among the unclean. (qa^de^sh)

So, do we know at all whether this 'ban' was real? Or do we have an 8 page thread sparked by a lie?