Actually I have been listening all week, as I could, they have free MP3 audio

http://www.downeychurch.org/sermons.html

I am quite impressed with them.

Is Wayne Dyer an evangelist? Or Taoist?

he's an "evangelist" for God.

i 2nd your nomination for HMS Richards, Sr. /dAb

I'd vote for for Joe Crews, but he's asleep and awaiting the 2nd coming.

Could you briefly summarize his view of God or Christ? I'm interested in Eastern religions.

"God is that which is indivisible..... God is One. There's no place that God is not. ."" -Dr. Wayne Dyer


" Choose to be in close proximity to people who are empowering, who appeal to your sense of connection to intention, who see the greatness in you, who feel connected to God, who live a life that gives evidence that Spirit has found celebration through them. ~ Wayne Dyer

"When you meet anyone, treat the event as a holy encounter." ~ Wayne Dyer

I will refrain from commenting or else I might have to provide some quotes.

Forget the comment-- just let's get ready to meet him and love him at the resurrection.

Thankyou.

Any of the men mentioned on this thread would tell you that it is not about them, but about the God they serve. I doubt if any of them do it to win a popularity contest....

Could you briefly summarize his view of God or Christ? I'm interested in Eastern religions.

too narrow ....Frazee
Baldwin,

....But before I found the SDA church, all I did was study and try to practice eastern religions. That's why I became a vegetarian. The Buddhists, Hindus, Yogis, Druids, where all vegetarians. I was glad for the SDA church. Finally Christians that are vegetarian. As you can imagine, I tried to teach them the virtues of Yoga, but I couldn't get anyone signed up.

The SDA people said yoga was bad. I wasn't convinced. I was at the library one time reading a book about Raja Yoga, which is focused on the mind more than body, in this case, for memory enhancement. I figured I'd be using it to memorize the Bible and learn foreign languages.

I was thinking about this mantra: "SA, TA, NA, MA". I thought "Satan Ama?" Is that what I've been chanting? Is this just a coincidence?

It was like he couldn't take it any more. A demon began screaming in my ear: "SATAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN!!!! SATAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN!!!" Over and over again. I had to leave the library. If all the time I spent studying Yoga was wasted, then I was mad, like someone when he realizes he got ripped off by a con-man.

Zen Buddhism was quite prestigious. That's because it's all about goals and success. Of course alot of those teachings are just practical......

In no poticular order,

Morris Venden
HMS Richards, Senior.
Dick Winn


People who I found too narrow-
Joe Crews
Frazee
Baldwin, Mr.

In no poticular order,

Morris Venden
HMS Richards, Senior.
Dick Winn


People who I found too narrow-
Joe Crews
Frazee
Baldwin, Mr.

Whatever happened to Dick Winn? Apostasy? Divorce?

Ellen White wrote:
When men standing in the position of leaders and teachers work under the power of spiritualistic ideas and sophistries, shall we keep silent, for fear of injuring their influence, while souls are being beguiled? Satan will use every advantage that he can obtain to cause souls to become clouded and perplexed in regard to the work of the church, in regard to the word of God, and in regard to the words of warning which He has given through the testimonies of His Spirit, to guard His little flock from the subtleties of the enemy. Manuscript 72, 1904, p. 6.

Recall that “We have reached the perils of the last days, when some, yes, many, shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.” I have already witnessed several once-faithful Adventists who gave heed to seducing spirits and ended up making a shipwreck of their faith. One case in point is Dick Winn. I used to love hearing Dick Winn preach. At one time he was a teacher associated with the conservative self-supporting Adventist organization called Weimar Institute in California. He was a frequent speaker at camp meetings and traveled the country doing seminars at local churches on various subjects. But then Dick became charmed by the idea that God will not personally destroy the wicked with fire, bringing about the second death. Shortly after Dick Winn began to teach that the lake of fire was not literal, he departed from the faith, turning his back on his Adventist heritage. Dick wrote a devotional book in 1986 titled His Healing Love that was translated into many languages and sold all over the world. In his book, he asked the question: How hot is hell? Then he gave his answer.

Dick Winn wrote:
The day will come when those who refuse His [God’s] gracious invitation for friendship will be given what they have chosen: separation from Him. When you unplug your lamp, it doesn’t explode. The light just goes out. Nor do you need to beat on the bulb in anger for its ceasing to give light. That’s simply what happens when it is disconnected. By the same token, when one breaks union with God, life ceases. God does not, in anger, need to crush it out. To be separated from the Life-giver is to be dead eternally…The people God was addressing in Biblical times did not always understand this cause-effect principle [of cutting off the power to the lamp, or life to the wicked]. It was difficult for them to appreciate the destructiveness of being out of harmony with God. And so the Bible writers employed the imagery of consuming flames to describe the sureness and completeness of the destruction of life apart from God. But being apart from God is in itself the worst thing that could ever happen to a person. God doesn’t need to torch hellish fires to enhance what is already so terrible. His Healing Love, p. 332.

Sounds like Dick Winn and Graham Maxwell crossed paths somewhere. The pastor of my church was good friends with Dick Winn when they were both at Weimar Institute. I asked my pastor why Dick left the church. I could hardly believe his answer. Dick Winn, once a conservative, as are most who are associated with Weimar, began to turn so liberal that he no longer had any use for Adventism.

I am convinced at least one causal element for his departure from the faith was the bewitching influence of the pantheistic idea that he embraced—the idea that (as Winn wrote in his book) “To be separated from the Life-giver is to be dead eternally.” This, some would argue, is one of the identifying characteristics of the omega of apostasy. The alpha apostasy was the idea that God’s presence was in all life. The complement, or mirror image of that concept, is that if God removes His presence, death is the result.

Notice another familiar concept in Winn’s book, one that Maxwell constantly harps on. “The day will come when those who refuse His [God’s] gracious invitation for friendship will be given what they have chosen: separation from Him.” In other words, the wicked do not die the second death because they refused to let go of their cherished sins, but because they did not become friends with God. Dick Winn and Graham Maxwell would have us believe that the second death is not a matter of receiving the wages of transgressing the law and of not accepting Christ’s substitutionary death in the sinner’s behalf (that’s such a narrow, childish view), but only because they did not become buddies with their Creator. The bottom line is that Maxwell, Winn, and no telling how many others today believe that hellfire is just a metaphor.

Good Points Neil. The first three you mentioned were great men and great speakers. I had two out of the three as college teachers. Excellent.

Thanks. Hate to hear that. He was a pretty good old boy.



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Forget the comment-- just let's get ready to meet him and love him at the resurrection.