You make some valid points and bring up important questions.

No doubt about it, the Investigative Judgment has not been taught very well, especially to young people. I think the people who explained it to you when you were 20 or so, no doubt tried to do the best they could, but they obviously didn't have a good grasp of it or of the gospel.

The point here is that just because someone does not explain something well, or even if they are wrong about something, doesn't mean that they are completely wrong. Maybe they were right about the existence of the Investigative Judgment but they were wrong in the details of their explanation.

If you get a chance to read it, it would be worth your while to read a book by the name of, The Silencing of Satan, by Bradley R. Williams. It is subtitled, The Gospel Of the Investigative Judgment. That book gives the Bible evidence for the Investigative, or Pre-Advent Judgment, if you are interested. It's a short book of only 150 pages and is well worth the cost of $12.00. It can be purchased online or at the ABC. (Do they call them that, in Australia?)

I would just encourage you to keep studying and asking questions until you get Biblically sound answers.

I'll be back later tonight to write more on this, especially regarding the first part of your post having to do with the judgment scene in Daniel and the COI day of atonement.

This is very true and vital to understand. There are groups of people out there that will tell you otherwise. They do this to try to preserve their personal biased views of the doctrine.

The TRUTH .... our church stands and has it foundation ... upon the GOSPEL. This is what our church is ALL about. If the Gospel falls ... so will our church. But don't believe those that tell you the IJ is what does that.

At this point, however, the issue or question is not whether the church would fall without the Investigative Judgment. The question is whether the Bible supports the concept of the Pre-Advent Judgment.

It is not a question of whether the church would fall without it, because we could say the same thing about most of the doctrines of the church.

Out of our 28 official doctrines, how many would cause the fall of the church if they didn't exist tomorrow?

So that is not really what we are trying to find out here. We're simply talking about it with an object of understanding it better.

This is a nice way to dictate what the issue is or what the question is or is not. But you should add the words ... " Personally I FEEL ... the issue is not.

I think we should let the discussion go where people think the issue is and not just where one or two THINK the issue may be or not be.

Persons who wish to discuss issues should practice reading carefully so as not to misrepresent what the other person is saying. There are those who continually undermine other's viewpoints by misrepresenting their posts. How do you view that type of activity?
mel

Some will even misrepresent their own words after they say them ... just to maintain face. lol But, yeah. I know what you're talkin about.

Who are you talking about and what words do you have in mind?

Could you explain? I'm not aware of having done this, but if you feel I have, let me know what you are referring to.

Is the ice getting thin perhaps? :-)
mel

We read about the new covenant in Hebrews 10. The Lord says "I will set my laws in their hearts and write them on their understanding.......and their sins and wicked deeds I will remember no more at all. Another place states that the names of people who accept Christ do not come up in judgement. You know that.
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