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#187968 - 09/23/08 09:54 AM Re: URGENT Adventist Believer condemned to die [Re: carolaa]
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Registered: 05/15/08
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Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: carolaa
Maybe you need to read my post again to see what I really said. Yes, Amnesty International is against the death penalty, but they normally do not try to influence a judgment once it is made except if they think it was not a fair trial. The reason they are involved with this case is because it does not appear to have been a fair trial - not because they are against the death penalty. They are not trying to tell the State of Georgia to abolish their death penalty. They are asking them to review the case.


I realize Amnesty International is involved because it's not a fair deal, and not necessarily because they oppose the death penalty. I was just saying their opposition to the death penalty seems unrealistic and could impair their credibility.

However, given time to think about it a bit, it seems their views are just for political reasons. People just expect a group like that to be against the death penalty. And I'm sure people understand that even if they wanted to change their views, they couldn't, cause it's what people expect from them. And it's hard to change things like that.

I'm not opposed to the death penalty for cases that are proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
It makes sense.
It provides justice to those who have been very seriously hurt in some cases.
It saves money.
And it's the oldest penalty on earth:

Gen. 2:17 ...in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

And we see God imposing the death penalty and we justify God. We don't apologize for God, as if He was just in a bad mood back then.

We also see secular authority justified in the death penalty:

Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil.
13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.


It's really not that evil. It's really normal.

I just want to be honest and biblical, not emotional. And I don't care about being popular.

Is that OK with everyone?
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#187978 - 09/23/08 01:45 PM Re: URGENT Adventist Believer condemned to die [Re: rush4hire]
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Registered: 03/24/00
Posts: 955
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I agree with this statement 100%.

"I'm not opposed to the death penalty for cases that are proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt."

Did you read the case? I went to one of the links from above and read all I could. It's pretty obvious to me that he's not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt! It's worse than the case againist Ruben Carter. So I am praying that President Carter can help.

pk

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#188121 - 09/24/08 01:25 AM Re: URGENT Adventist Believer condemned to die [Re: pkrause]
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Ya, I read the case. From the start I thought there was a good chance he's probably no guilty. I read the facts and was convinced all the more. I have told why I think sometimes innocent men are condemned. It's a conspiriacy.

John 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
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#188128 - 09/24/08 01:44 AM Re: URGENT Adventist Believer condemned to die [Re: rush4hire]
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Great to hear the Supreme Court has granted a stay! We'll see what happens next.
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#188130 - 09/24/08 01:53 AM Re: URGENT Adventist Believer condemned to die [Re: Nightingale]
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Registered: 03/22/05
Posts: 1681
Loc: Texas
Thanks for sharing the good news. I hadn't heard it yet.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/amnesty-international-praises-stay-execution/story.aspx?guid=%7B566E0FEA-F03C-437B-ADFF-392A61D80385%7D&dist=hppr

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#188133 - 09/24/08 02:06 AM Re: URGENT Adventist Believer condemned to die [Re: carolaa]
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According to the link above, the State of Georgia *purposely* scheduled the execution to happen before the Supreme Court was already scheduled to review the case. Talk about nasty and evil!!

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#188135 - 09/24/08 02:35 AM Re: URGENT Adventist Believer condemned to die [Re: carolaa]
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It's probabaly pure economics. Having someone on Death Row is very expensive especially after appeal and appeal.
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#188137 - 09/24/08 02:40 AM Re: URGENT Adventist Believer condemned to die [Re: Nightingale]
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Praise the Lord.

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#188147 - 09/24/08 03:56 AM Re: URGENT Adventist Believer condemned to die [Re: Redwood]
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Loc: Texas
I think it's much more than economics, because the guy could be released if there is a retrial. Of course, the retrial would cost something, as well as opening up the case again, so ecomonics might be part of it.

But I suspect a lot of it is racism. I also think some of it is because it's a police officer who was killed, they *really* want someone to pay. And also, some politics and saving face enters in - they are loathe to admit that a mistake was made.

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#188148 - 09/24/08 03:57 AM Re: URGENT Adventist Believer condemned to die [Re: pkrause]
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Registered: 03/22/05
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Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: pkrause
Praise the Lord.

pk


Amen to that! But keep praying....

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