Yes. I have both books. I need to start re reading Keys of this blood. In it the catholic church plainly states that their goal is to set up a one world government with the RCC at the head.
The writer of the book, Malachi Martin, was a vatican insider. His book had the impremator of the RCC.

Yes, The Keys of This Blood is a remarkable book because when he began writing it, we were still in the Cold War, and the USSR was still a superpower. In the book, Keys of This Blood, Malachi Martin tells us of John Paul's plan to take down the USSR, which would then leave only the USA and the Papacy as the major powers in the West.

We know today that it was Reagan and the Pope who got together twice and planned the downfall of the Iron Curtain. That has been written up in Time magazine several times. Even Gorbochav has stated a number of times that it would not have happened without John Paul II. All of this happened AFTER The Keys was published.

The book goes on to discuss the plan of the Papacy to use the USA in order to gain even greater influence in the world. Martin mentions the interest the Papacy has in churches such as the Seventh-day Adventists. We are mentioned at least twice in the book.

By the way, Malachi Martin was a friend of the Vatican and the papacy. He was not writing about these powers as something evil. As you yourself pointed out, Martin was an acknowledged expert on the Vatican and on the Jesuits, having been an insider in both for many years. Therefore it cannot reasonably be said that the book is fanciful and sensationalistic.

The Keys is also a book heavy with political philosophy and discussions about Marxist theory.

>>But is there an independent, un-bias investigation? No one is surprised they would drum up a bunch of fake information. But I have seen the Catholic church publish so many bold lies, that's it's just ridiculous. Who do you trust? Who has any credibility? If anyone on earth does, it's not the Roman Catholic Church.

Cornerstone is not a Catholic publication; it is evangelical. Gary Metz, the investigator, also wrote an article on this for Christianity Today.

Is Jack Chick a credible source? That's the question here. And these independent evangelical publications looked at the evidence and said, no.

Reading books by Malachi Martin and articles by George F Will expands the vocabulary considerably.

DB

I've been wanting to read those books by Malachi Martin. I've heard alot about them. Here are his other books:

1958 - The Scribal Character of the Dead Sea Scrolls
1964 - The Pilgrim, (under pseudonym: Michael Serafian)
1969 - The Encounter
1972 - Three Popes and the Cardinal
1873 - Jesus Now
1978 - The Final Conclave
1980 - King of Kings: a Novel
1981 - The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church
1984 - The New Castle; Reaching for the Ultimate
1984 - Rich Church, Poor Church
1984 - There is Still Love
1986 - Hostage to the Devil: The Possession and Exorcism of Five Living Americans
1986 - Vatican: a Novel
1987 - The Jesuits: The Society of Jesus and the Betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church
1990 - The Keys of This Blood: The Struggle for World Dominion between Pope John Paul II, Mikhail Gorbachev, and the Capitalist West
1996 - Windswept House

These look very interesting.



Here's a nice sample, called "Young People's History of the Sabbath". It's for children, but there is good information for adults, and it's a clever presentation.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

(Just download all 3 and then unzip it with winrar. It's a split archive because the max file size for rapidshare is 100 MB.)

I've said quite a bit about Jim Arrabito. I listed the videos by him in this post. I have a hard time denying the testimony of this man. He was a very knowledgeable historian and spoke on many topics.

In other videos, Jim Arrabito exposes other lies of the Roman Catholic Church, like in "The Lost Pages of Christian History", which is about the Waldenses. They say the Waldenses where started in the 1500s by Peter Waldo. Peter Waldo was just the guy that discovered them and they named the people Waldenses after Peter Waldo. They said that the Waldenses never kept the Sabbath. They make it look like all Christianity kept Sunday since the Apostles. We know that's not true. History shows much evidence to the contrary.

http://www.sabbathtruth.com/history/sabbath_history1.asp

There and many more lies are still being affirmed the the Roman Catholic Church. It is their custom to re-write history to their own interests:



Well now they can't alter the record of history by just burning books, so they have more clever deceptions. If anyone believes Rome is more honest now than in the Dark Ages, they are in denial. Prophecy seems to suggest the opposite, that the Papacy gets less and less honest until the 2nd coming.



You need to read this whole chapter again, if you are becoming enthralled in the majesty and grandeur of the great whore.
The Great Controversy, Chap. 35 - Liberty of Conscience Threatened

John tells us of the danger of marveling:
Rev. 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel?

Do not listen to her lies. You want examples of lies? Everything she says is a lie as far as you're concerned.

The attempted assassination of the Pope in 1980 was the greatest publicity stunt ever pulled off in the history of this world. Come now, let us reason together. How are the Jesuits going to hire one of the best marksmen in all Europe to completely miss the Pope's vitals at 10 feet away? He was hit in the arm and lower abdominal region, where it's not possible you could die from a gunshot wound. The bullets where probably not even hollow tipped.

It's obvious that that was the intent. To make it look like an assassination attempt, so the whole world would really admire this guy for forgiving the assassin.

Rev. 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev. 13:14 ...that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

I have been mocked and ridiculed to scorn for telling about the lies of the Papacy. Now here we have a problem, a lose-lose situation:

Prov. 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

If you answer the fool, he will make fun of you.
If you don't answer, he thinks he's right.
Either way, you lose.

Those who mock and ridicule the great angel of Revelation 18 will get no further light than that which they have rejected. Any light or warning at all will seem like a joke to them:

Gen. 19:14 ...and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

God's elect, who are that great angel, will fulfill this prophecy:



Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Those who refuse to come out of Babylon will be accomplice to the murder of millions of prophets and saints of the Most High God.

[quote=rush4hire]You want examples of lies? Everything she says is a lie as far as you're concerned.
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And yet we are still waiting to hear just one example of a verifiable lie they have told since the Dark Ages.....

Ok as you wish, I won't answer you.....

Those lies from the Dark Ages are still in circulation. They will deny all claims to the "four rows of teeth" lie, but they still tell lies about the Waldenses. For instance, they say the leaders called themselves "perfects", to make them look like a cult, which would justify exterminating them for fear of them.

And the Pope has not apologized for the church doing anything. The church can't do anything wrong because it's infallible. The Pope apologized on behalf of individuals in the Catholic church who, by themselves, without the Pope's consent, chose to murder people for their faith. That's a lie. The Papacy had full control over the Inquisitions and Crusades.

The Papacy can secretly send some force to do something and then take credit for it if it goes well and the people like it, and if not, they can claim they had nothing to do with it. This is still going on today.

The Fatima. They are saying that Mary is giving them messages. That's a verifiable lie. Also, they still tell people that Mary is able to let down her rosary to get sinners out of purgatory. In the Philippines there are big billboards with prayers, asking Mary to pray for us. Mary is not praying for us.

I have written pages on the lies about Waco. Here's a whole storm of lies.

The "attempted assassination" on the Pope is a verifiable lie. It's obvious it was stunt to dupe the world into worshiping the Pope. Then the "attempted assassination" on Reagan. Obviously this is to give them an excuse to become friends so the United States can start an alliance with the Vatican.

There's World War 2. To say Hitler came out of jail and climbed to political power to command that vast army WITHOUT the Papacy? That's a verifiable lie. These things don't happen in real life.

To say that 900 people committed suicide in Gianna is a verifiable lie. They where murdered, against their will. Another bold lie that masses of people have chosen to believe.

We have great heaps of books written about the current lies of the Papacy.

All these lies give Christianity a very bad name. It makes it look like our whole religion is a lie, that we just have to take by faith. That's a mockery of what faith really is. This is dire blasphemy.

But if you will not believe the prophecies, you will not believe anything.

What do you say about all the EGW quotes? Have I taken anything out of context? Why all the silence all of a sudden? People can't say anything now, but I know when these things come up again, many will mock and jest again, as if I had never said anything. This evidence here will be completely ignored.

Has the Papacy been tamed, like Ellen White said it would not be? Should we just go ecumenical like all the other churches? I think we can do so and still keep the Sabbath.. for now... If they are not lying and killing innocent people anymore, then why not?

Neil D says the Jesuits are playing nice now:

And if you can't trust ole' Neil, who can you trust?

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Does anyone else have any confirmed lies published recently by the Papacy? I'm really no expert in these matters. Does anyone have evidence to add?

Does anyone want to challenge the evidence that we have so far? In a mature manner, not with alot of insults?

Are you already satisfied Carolaa? You have said over and over that the Papacy has changed, that she doesn't lie and murder people anymore. Is that not what you where saying?



Here's the prophecy again:



What are you going to do with all this "no evidence", "no lies", "shaky ground", "lame accusations", when we we find out EGW really was a prophet and all those lies are discovered?

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I'll add this one, too. The fiasco where where FBI raids Tony Alamo ministries for child pornography. Look how they blew this thing up. There's no evidence at all, but you have pictures of FBI agents there and it's on MSNBC to add credibility to the charges. Just like what happened at Waco. How many more Waco massacres do we have to have to wake up and realize we have another Inquisition on our hands now. And no one is safe who is not willing to join the Ecumenical Movement/evangelicals/WCC/Charismatic Movement.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26809759/

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I commented on that one here:

http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthread...in_c#Post189681

Do you not see the Inquisition here?

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And we can also add the list of things they claimed about Alberto Rivera.

http://web.archive.org/web/20051202084221/http://www.cornerstonemag.com/pages/show_page.asp?228

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I already said most of the things they said about the Branch Davidians where lies, too. We talked about that here:

http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/182050/Re_Interviews_Waco#Post182050
http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/182258/Re_Interviews_Waco#Post182258

These guys got 40 years in prison and burned to death for going to a Bible study group. If that's not the Inquisition, I don't know what is.

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Back to Alberto.

We might look at what EGW said about the crime of the Jesuits:


So they commit crimes for their cause. Big advantage to be "above the law". It looks like it serves another purpose too. It keeps their guys in check. If they decide to leave, like Alberto did, they got alot of dirt on them. That would give the order alot of leverage against defectors. I would say it's a miracle he got out. I believe this is information that God has given us so that we will be watchful and not allow Jesuits to take over our institutions. Or at least, put up a fight.

If we're willing to be watchful, like Jesus said.

But they depend on us not watching. They depend on our tendency toward skepticism, and to be lazy about research. They depend on our fears, the fear of being called a "conspiracy fanatic" or something.

How many Jesuits do you think we have in our institutions now?

How many Jesuit teachers are working working at our colleges, like Andrews University, feeding our students full of ecumenical sentiments and giving a complicated understanding of the Testimonies and the scriptures. They would make all the doctrine and counsel we have so complicated and confusing that we will just give up and follow their example of worldliness. We have seen, in this forum, graduates of Andrews who's thinking patters are so messed up, they can't do anything for the cause. They don't seem to understand the concept of "absolute truth". But they think they are smart. They are weak is what they are. God save our children for a Jesuit education!

By teaching at our schools, they would get the glory for extending the power of the Jesuit Order, which have control over many great schools in the world. They would make our schools Jesuit schools.



And just like the Apostles where eager to welcome Judas, they will be eager to welcome these "big shot" teachers.



And they wouldn't be going out of their way much, either. They have a good job with money. There are nice people there. They can be careless, and encourage the students in an attitude of carelessness and worldliness. They can teach New Theology to weaken their faith and encourage premarital sex and other things.

How many Jesuits do you think we have in our General Conference, trying to move the pillars of our faith? Sending ambassadors to the Pope to give medallions, and sending that same guy to the World Council of Churches where he becomes a hero for taking the podium at WCC to apologize for some naughty SDA students, who pulled some stunt with a banner and balloons, who where probably encouraged to do that by a young Jesuit disguised as a student there? Pushing an inquisition against Hope International and anyone else that's openly against the spread of New Theology and other confusing doctrines that weaken our church. Moving to fire fundamental preachers, like Stephen Lewis. Pushing the acceptance of women pastors who conduct baptisms. The Catholic church doesn't even allow that. They have more sense. That would put us behind them, in that regard.

Who was that General Conference guy that tried to push for women pastors to an officially accepted thing? Folkenberg?

And stirring up whatever else they can come up with to weaken our church, in the hopes that we will give in to the ecumenical pressures that every other major domination has given into already.

Awwe, c'mon. There are no Jesuits in our influential positions. They pushed and pressured all those other denominations to go ecumenical/evangelical/charismatic/WCC, and the SDA church has been resisting, but it doesn't matter to them. They just let it go, right? They have enough churches on board, right?

Do you really think they are happy with the power and control they have now? Do you think they are happy if they are not in control of everything?

Ultimately, God is in control and is much more powerful than the Papacy. But we are expected to believe the prophecies and to be watchful.