I'm no different than the others who are posting there. You could probably make that claim against all of those guys. Show me one time when I attacked someone.

Also provide a link, if you have one.

I'm guessing you don't have anything. You are just hoping people will just take your word for it. Is that right?

Bravus;
Please explain why ID should take millions of years. If life were designed and made, why could it not have been done in a week as the Bible states? steve

I am with you on that one!



Again - a very good point. Some people assume that the Bible can be bent to fit their view of Darwinism -- it can not.

There is a clear demarkation between exegesis that simply lets the Bible speak -- and eisegesis that supposes that Darwinism can be inserted into the text and nobody will notice.



Agreed -- that is probably the case.

Or it could just be a sweeping statement saying that God created everything.

I am simply arguing the point that man's science today falls far short of having everything figured out.

in Christ,

Bob

rush4hire - I have numerous examples of your attacks, but the problem is that your own beliefs and approach mean that you will not recognise or acknowledge them. I have tried to have that conversation withyou already, as have a number of other people here, and you have consistently claimed that what others perceive as attacks are not.

The Origins forum was specifically set up, mostly by Norm Finch, a former participant here, with one express purpose - safe and friendly discussion of Origins issues. it was set up so that only those deemed to post in a safe and friendly manner would be invited. Norm has had to leave this forum for personal reasons, so I am the sole remaining moderator of the Origins forum. So in the final analysis, it is my responsibility to protect all the other participants in that forum.

I am willing to go to the work of dredging through many of your old posts and linking to abusive comments, but since based on past experience you will not accept that that is what they are, I'm not sure I see the point. but let me know if you'd like me to list some.

Excellent thread. Most of it is way over my head, but I like to read both sides of the discussion. I have been struggling with this as well, both sides make reasonable arguments.

Welcome to the thread -- envite your friends!

More threads on a similar topic --

http://adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/190647/Re_Darwin_and_Faith#Post190647

http://adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthrea...son_#Post189730

http://adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthrea...ract#Post189383

And many others as well on that Origins section.

Enjoy!

in Christ,

Bob

I've been doing my best to show tact and so forth. I just believe in saying what's on my mind. I want people to speak freely to me and just go ahead and say what they have to say, without worrying about offending me. I believe in being direct.

I really don't know what you mean by "personal attack". That's why I've been wanting an example, so I'll know what you mean.

I thought a "personal attack" was like an insult. Like flaming. I really don't think I've flamed anyone.

Of course I don't believe in insulting people. I really don't think I've done that. If I've insulted someone, just show me, and I'll apologize.

Have I said: "You idiot!", or "You're Mama's so fat, she should have her own zip code.", or anything like that? Have I done anything to make sport at someone else's expense?

Witness against me.

I think if a person says something like: "Evolution is of the Devil", that could not qualify as a "personal attack". That's just a person sharing their opinion. I wouldn't try to censor someone for that.

But if you only want people posting in your exclusive forum who will not apply Bible prophecy against the rise of Evolution / Atheism, or whatever, then I would say you are being too censorious. That's just my opinion.

I think people should be able to say "Evolution is evil, and that's why our kids are shooting each other and getting each other pregnant", or whatever they want to say on the matter, and not be charged with making personal attacks.

I suppose you would disagree with that.

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I'll go ahead and give an example of giving an example, if you will:


http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/187783/Re_To_the_apostates_among_us#Post187783

To me, this just an very bad insult. It's an attack on a person's character in attempt to discredit them. The guy goes on and on insulting one person.

So that's an example I would provide.

In that same thread:



No. When John the Baptist called people a "brood of vipers", it was by the Holy Ghost. It was God Himself, calling them vipers. It was not a mocking, jesting, wicked insult. But it was redemptive.

So here's Guy_2 joining Guy_1, with flaming insults.

The poster had a very serious burden, and was sharing in a solemn, prayerful, and respectful manner, with much scripture and prophecy. Those who insulted did not care at all about the scripture, or the burden, or anything at all. They just had a big hay-day.

Then 7 other people joined in with insults, ridicule, and mockery. It looks like they didn't even give the matter any thought at all. Then the thread was moved to a place were the poster could not post, and the scoffers continued with their jokes without him.

There where only 2 posters that took the matter to heart. They made 2 posts.





Thoughtful_guy_2 gave in and joined with the scoffers.

Beholding a situation like that, from an outside perspective, I can see something is wrong. I can't help but wonder. What if God raised up a real prophet? Who are the ones that would listen to him, and who are the ones who would ridicule him and falsely accuse him?

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you [from their company], and shall reproach [you], and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward [is] great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

I'm sorry, but it's very clear in the terms and conditions of the Origins forum that saying someone's beliefs are 'of the devil' or calling their faith into question because their beliefs are different from yours is not allowed in that forum. Since, as you have said above, you believe in doing both those things, and do them regularly, you are by definition not eligible fo that forum. It's not about disagreeing with me. Evolutionists who did either of those things would not be invited either. It's about creating a climate for discussion in which it's possible to share ideas without impugning the faith of other. You have strong beliefs, and a particular set of beliefs about how those beliefs are to be shared, and that's absolutely fine. Do it that way all you like in the rest of the forum (within the bounds of the various moderators). But given your beliefs, it would be betraying the charter of the Origins forum to invite you.

Good question, Steve. Of course God could have designed creation intelligently in a 6 day creation, and would have had to. But I was talking about the mainstream Intelligent Design movement. If you read their literature they do not posit a 6 day creation fairly recently. Rather, they describe a modified form of evolution with some involvement by a Higher Intelligence. I wasn't making any claim about how long it takes, I was simply describing a particular approach.

PS Basically *everyone* who participates in the Origins forum, with the exception of 1-2 people, disagrees with me about almost everything.

So the criterion is clearly *not* related to whether someone agrees with me.