When we limit our "evidence" to that which is temporal we appropriate a spiritual blindness to ourselves that can be deceptive. Thus Naturalism has a "faith" in diametric opposition to the tenents of Scripture (Hebrews 11:1-3). Naturalism also makes people philosophically naive.



oG

An evolutionary perspective also lies in vivid opposition to sabbath keeping. What concord hath light with darkness?

That's fine. It's not about me. My concern is for you, Bravus. Are you singling an individual out? And how can that be perceived as anything but evil? There's no party. There's no "your house". This is the Adventist forum board. That's the only Origins forum.

Who else has been banned from that forum? Olger, have you also been banned?

Am I the only one?



Then you bring the same charge against Ellen White.





How is that supposed to make me feel better about myself?



You, and the others who have made such false accusations, have not shown me anything I posted that was not appropriate. Have I used foul language, or made insults? Have I born false witness, or been deceptive? Have I been vulgar? Have I railed on someone, or joined in with others to have a big laugh at one person's expense? Have I taught false doctrine?

Make one quote and show me my error. Your accusations are vague and false.

Give it a rest, shake the dust off your feet and move on. Even your protests fit the pattern of disrespect for others.

How could I have said that in a more respectful way? Teach me. I'm willing to be instructed by your wisdom. I can't decide if you want to correct me or criticize me.

And I'm not protesting. I'm showing people the errors of their ways. I'm doing this faithfully, so their blood doesn't cling to me in the judgment.

Acts 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I [am] pure from the blood of all [men].
20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.



Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

I know I said I wasn't going to respond further, but I guess I'm just a patient guy. I did offer early on to post quotes showing your behaviour, but you kept on justifying the very things I would have pointed out, so it seemed pointless. I've made it as clear as I possibly can.

The bottom line is extremely simple: it is forbidden in the Origins forum to question the faith of others. You question the faith of others in every post. If I invited you to the Origins forum, and you did so, then I *would* have to ban you.

I've also said, very clearly, that you can be invited any time, if you show that you are willing to abide by the rules. Instead, in every post you flout the rules, and loudly insist on your right to do so.

No evil, no singling out. Every forum on the web has rules and moderation, some strict and some less so. Precisely because Origins is such a contentious subject, the moderation in that forum is very strict indeed.

It's entirely, 100% in your hands. Comply by the Terms and Conditions and be invited in, decide that you can't or won't and remain out. End of story.

You strongly believe that you not only *can* question others' faith but *must*. I can understand that. What I can't do is allow it to happen in the Origins forum.

Ok so "enough about me" so to speak.

Back to the topic -- starting with the OP



As a case in point - the reader might be interested in FB #6 to see just what the majority of SDAs are signing up for when they become Adventists.






Interesting how those SDA surveys got reported



Interesting also how the US survey sampling of all America in general attributes disbelief in evolutionism to Christian faith.




But this gets us to the next question



in Christ,

Bob

There's correlation but not causation in the relationship between faith and evolution. You seem to be assuming that evolution causes the loss of faith. But it could be the other way around - faith is the only thing that makes people believe in creationism in the face of all the evidence, and when they lose their faith (for whatever reason, including 'Christian' intolerance) they then stop believing in it.

Lord, I'm glad that I am not as that sinner....

Ring a bell???

I would like to address the above embolded statement with reasons why I disagree with it.

Evolutionists promote a view of God that distorts the Bible's view of God as a loving Creator.

1) The Hebrew word yom means a 24-hour period. If a longer period of time was meant the word "olam" would have been used.

2) The "evolutionary process" (theory) is rife with happenstance, waste, contingency, death, pain and horror. This view makes God careless, diabolical and indifferent. This view is opposed to the God of scriptures who is as loving and selfless in creation as He is in salvation. People who propose theistic evolution do not see the radical difference between the two worldviews.

3) why would God use and unjust survival of the fittest method to create when justice is the foundation of His throne? Psalm 89:14) Why would God use DEATH to create humans when He is love & life? If God used death to create, why then did He warn Adam of the evil of death? (Gen 2:17).

4) The fact that the onlooking universe shouted for joy at the creation of this world (Job 38:4-7) is inexplicable if Christ involved human & animal suffering for billions of years. Christ called creation “very good” (Gen. 1:31), and that’s worth singing about.

5) Christ’s warning to Adam about the tree of knowledge of good and evil, stating that eating its fruit would bring death (Gen. 2:17), indicates that death was not yet a present reality. Here evil and death are associated with disobedience to the Creator.
When Christ re-creates the earth, there will be no more curse (Rev. 22:3). Clearly curses and death are linked to disobedience and have nothing to do with Christ’s method of creation. That’s why Scripture says Adam introduced sin and death to the world (Rom. 5:12). It was Adam and not his Creator who brought death into the world.

6) Christ did not use death to create humans in Eden. Instead, the record is that He died to save humans at Calvary. Given a cosmic controversy in which Satan hates Christ and has engaged in a process of disinformation about God (Eze. 28:15, 16), it
makes sense that a natural method of creation through horror is something he (Satan) would promote, for it effectively destroys the drawing power of Calvary.

7) The awesome power of God’s creative word is further demonstrated by the speed with which His commands were fulfilled, for the Creation days were literal, continuous, contiguous, 24-hour periods of time.



This attempt to blend creation & evolution is parallel with Satan's practice of contaminating good with evil, light with darkness, and ultimately to mingle truth with error. It is NOT sustained in scripture and has no place in the life of a beliver.

regards,

oG