I am not going to go to your website and try to wade through it all to find the answer. If you can't come here and have a conversation sharing your views ... then I am just not interested in communicating with you.

Just because you have started five or six threads with the same call for your web site and sent me duplicates to my private messages ... I am really not interested in checking out your site. A little to over the top pushy for me.

If you desire to come here and talk ... that is different. So far your spam approach has not worked well for me.

It sounds like it is saying that because Moses struck the 2nd rock, then Christ has to die a 2nd time. Is that accurate?

There are Davidians and there are Branch Davidian and then there are the people who followed Vernen Howell (David Koresh).

Which are these? Just the Davidians?

(BTW - where do they get their members? Are SDAs going over there?)

in Christ,

Bob

>>We believe in Christ crucified twice , even as much as Moses struck the rock of Horeb twice, as taught by the Sheppard's Rod.<<

Strange, where expository light manifests...

Though there is that in Biblical exposition to suggest that Jesus Christ would be 'struck' three times (once being at the cross with another event encompassing a 'two-time or twice' second striking) - according to the principle you've forwarded in the above. There is no indication that Jesus Christ Himself would be crucified twice. [/extemporaneously]

Indicators point to Jesus Christ being crucified the once as Gd intended by the demonstration of Moses first striking the Rock, which was Jesus Christ - with Gd intending that the second outpouring of water ('HS/Latter Rain'?) be manifested by the Spoken Word. We are apprised that

Moses, instead, struck the 'Rock' twice; thereby, suggesting that Jesus Christ must be yet struck again - or Gd's figuratively antitypical 'Rock' is made a lie.

The next 'striking' seems to point to Jesus Christ's Body being struck. That would be, figuratively speaking, His followers...

That, if proved exegetically sound, would require that the Fall Feasts speak to things hitherto unapprehended.


Rather than simply posting a link to a site - why don't you clip exerts and bring them here for discussion - if it is your desire to do so. Links are such

bothers to explore in depth...

As I understand only a small amount of David Koresh's teachings (his doctine that he was the sinful Messiah) I found no other reason to follow his teachings as the foundation was based on shifting sands.

"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." Matthew 24:5 KJV

I find Jesus' response to Peter appropriate, when Peter wished to subvert Jesus' plain teaching .

"But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." Matt 16:23 KJV
Regards!

The Branch Davidians made tapes and videos, right?

So, where is the evidence that these teachings came from David Koresh? Where is video or audio of David Koresh saying such things as:

-- He was the Messiah
-- He would be resurrected
-- Everyone needed to let him sleep with their wives
-- He would be the angel that gives John the little book
-- And other such things that are kinda hard to believe

These all seem like some outlandish claims. I don't see how people can believe such things without any evidence.

From what I understand, the Davidians saw David Koresh as a messiah, but not the Messiah.

Which means an anointed one. They also said Ellen White was a messiah, and the reformers, and other leaders, and the apostles, and the prophets, especially those who where assigned to deliver Israel, like Samson:

Judges 3:9 And when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer to the children of Israel, who delivered them, [even] Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother.

Judges 3:15 But when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised them up a deliverer, Ehud the son of Gera, a Benjamite, a man lefthanded: and by him the children of Israel sent a present unto Eglon the king of Moab.

Judges 13:5 For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.

So to them, the great men of God, of the ages, where deliverers, or anointed ones, or messiahs. Naturally they saw David Koresh as a deliverer. Perhaps one which was seen in prophecy somewhere, in some verse that can have a duel application. God sometimes foretold the raising up of a deliverer, like Cyrus. Some might say the raising up of Ellen White was seen here:

Rev. 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again [ - Ellen White - ] before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

So if it worked for ancient Israel, why can't it work for us?

I'm not saying we should think like that, but I'm saying it's not that strange of a teaching. I think alot of these things have been blown way out of proportion. That's because people like strange and shocking stories. And people are in denial that our government is taking orders from the Vatican, so they would rather see the Massacre at Waco as a judgment from God, and assure themselves that they got what they deserved if they where such monsters. Instead of the Inquisition, we see Beowulf and Grendel. Not wicked Papists persecuting saints, but heroes vanquishing the trolls and dragons. That's what we'd rather see.

I honestly find the teachings of Branch Davidians or Shepherd's Rod, or New Theology, to be not very interesting. But I wouldn't want to falsely accuse them.

Do you guys get what I'm saying? I don't endorse their teachings, because frankly I don't even know what they teach, for the most part. I tried studying Shepherd's Rod, but it was too boring. I disagree with the constant reaching only to SDAs, and never the world.

And our president has no business telling us that's what will happen to us if join a cult. We are supposed to have a right to join a cult if that's what we want to do. And the government has no right to define what is or is not a cult. If they start doing that, you know they are under the control of the Vatican.

The same Constitution that protects our right to join a cult also protects our right to keep the Sabbath.

That's what makes us different than the Communists, the Muslims, and the Papists.

I seriously believe the Davidians where used as a warm-up exercise to prepare the US for a new Inquisition. Do you not believe there will be another Inquisition? In spite of how Great Controversy says there will be?

-- Jesus was crucified between 2 thieves.
-- The Apostles where compared to 2 other cults.
-- The Papacy burned witches, and real criminals, and true Christians together.
-- If you see the Papacy busting cults, and running the CIA, and managing our justice system for us, which does administer good justice, you can be sure she's warming up to start persecuting true Christians, together with the cults and real criminals. True Christians will be seen as traitors because they won't go along with her Sunday plan, and they won't stop saying the Papacy is the Antichrist.

I don't really know much about the beliefs you guys have, but I have seen the video and read all about what happened at Waco.

David Koresh was evil at its highest form.

He shows no characteristics of a Christlike person whatsoever.

Dear Mark i am sorry for you that you had such a tribulant life so far. I kind of know what it s like to experience suffering and losing the ones you love. But let me tell you something other people in here don t explicitly tell you. David Koresh misused the writings of Ellen White to brainwash people in order to gain power. Power in the form of sex, worship and the feeding of selfish pride by making himself more than anyone else. David Koresh is a satanic despot and you should get away from him and his teachings as the east is from the west. Extremism is never good and doctrines ain t worth it to mess up your whole life. Listen to your inner voice that distinguishes wrong from right. Deep in your heart you know that the Davidians don t make you happy. They will never make you happy. You don t even need the SDA church to become happy and walk with Christ. It is better to ask Jesus to help you and live by the most simple truths than being captured in a life of religious doctrines. Please leave the Davidian church and experience the freedom in Christ. I know it is hard for you to change your beliefs because you have been programmed by a cult, but please think about what i tell you.

In the reviews done regarding this break off group from the Branch Davidians -- I can not find much in the way of redeeming value in the gross errors into which they fled.

I remember a report where it was obeserved that both the Davidian denomination and the Branch Davidian congregations that he attended formerly - expelled him from their groups. (Credit where credit is due)

in Christ,

Bob

The unsavory nature of this guy's methods and practices seem to be glaringly obvious.

What I am trying to find out is the extent to which the denomination of Branch Davidians had other locations beyond Waco at the time.

in Christ,

Bob