I think our prophet would suggest we stay out of it.

As Adventists we believe homosexuality is sin. That is our religious belief. We also believe certain types of music and movies are sin but we do not support laws to ban them.

I suspect the prophet would be astonished and horrified that such an oxymoronic notion as "gay marriage" should be entertained by anyone--SDA or otherwise.

Hate crime legislation in general is dangerous, because the state moves from regulating what person does, to what a person thinks. That's tyranny.

What do you think would be a better alternative?

Having said that, *I* think that the *Church* should make a stand in their own doctrines or beliefs but should stay completely out of politics. I think that they can get into some murky waters if they start telling their people on how to vote.

I don't think those "Adventist" sites are officially sponsored by the church.

Mitchell Tyner
Retired Associate General Counsel & Associate Director of Public Affairs and Religious Liberty, General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists
Terrence Finney
Retired Superior Court Judge, State of California
Lawrence T. Geraty
President Emeritus, La Sierra University
Tim Mitchell
Senior Pastor, Pacific Union College Church
Chris Blake
Associate Professor of English and Communication, Union College
Deborah Silva
Professor of Speech Communication, Walla Walla University
Fritz Guy
Research Professor of Theology, La Sierra University
Alger Keough
Executive Pastor, Azure Hills Seventh-day Adventist Church, Grand Terrace, CA
Gary Chartier
Associate Professor of Law and Business Ethics, La Sierra University
Delwyn Finch
Pastor of Web Ministries, Forest Lake Seventh-day Adventist Church, Apopka, FL
David Larson
Professor of Religion, Loma Linda University
Jeff Gang
Pastor, Crosswalk Seventh-day Adventist Church, Redlands, CA
Charles Scriven
President, Kettering College of Medical Arts
Maury Jackson
Associate Pastor, Lancaster (CA) Seventh-day Adventist Church
Aubyn Fulton
Professor of Psychology, Pacific Union College
Michael McMillan
Pastor, Victoria Seventh-day Adventist Church, San Bernardino, CA
Sam Leonor
Chaplain, La Sierra University
Milbert Mariano
Chair of Visual Arts Dept., Pacific Union College
Richard Lee
Associate Pastor, San Diego Korean Seventh-day Adventist Church
David Oceguera
Pastor, Brawley & El Centro (CA) Seventh-day Adventist Church
John R. Jones
Associate Professor of New Testament and World Religions, La Sierra University
Steve Leddy
Lead Pastor, 24-Seven Ministry Center, Seattle, WA
Harvey Elder
Professor of Medicine, Loma Linda University
Lourdes Morales-Gudmundsson
Chair of World Languages Dept., La Sierra University
James Walters
Professor of Religion, Loma Linda University School of Religion
Ron Jolliffe
College Place, WA

Doug Batchelor
President, Amazing Facts Ministries


Stephen Bohr
Speaker / Director, Secrets Unsealed & Pastor, Fresno Central SDA Church


Shawn Boonstra
Speaker / Director, It Is Written


Ron Clouzet, M.Div., D.Min.
Secretary of the SDA church's North American Division (NAD) Ministerial Association, Director of NAD Evangelism Institute (NADEI) and professor of Christian Ministry and Pastoral Theology at Andrews University


Herbert E. Douglass, Th.D.
Theologian & Best selling Adventist author


Jim Gilley
President, 3ABN


John Lomacang
Pastor, Thompsonville, IL SDA Church


Neil Nedley, M.D.
President, Weimar Institute & International best selling author


Jerry N. Page
President, Central California Conference Association of the Seventh-day Adventists


Jean Ross
Pastor, Granite Bay SDA Church


Harold White
Pastor, Sacramento Central SDA Church


Steve Wohlberg
Speaker / Director, White Horse Media

What do you think would be a better alternative?

I'm ashamed of my church for publishing an article supporting Prop. 8 in the Pacific Union Recorder. Our church should take no stand on this issue, because of its sensitive nature. It should be between the worshiper and God. Period.

For an example of her urging the Church to "Activism" on moral issues (even arguing that we should be "the head and not the tail" in those activist movements regarding very specific moral issues) -

http://adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthrea...huma#Post190499

If they published one view, then they should also present the other view - particularly since there are many SDAs on both sides of the issue. Present both sides fairly and let people make up their own minds. Otherwise, it is propaganda, as I have stated in other threads, and not a "news" magazine.

a vast variety of thought among members

FOR
www.adventists4prop8.com

Lev 18

(Infant Sacrifice)
21 'You shall not give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God; I am the LORD.

(Gay agenda)
22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
23 'Also you shall not have relations with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.


24 'Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.
25 'For the land has become defiled, therefore I have brought its punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants.
26 'But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you
27 (for the men of the land who have been before you have done all these abominations, and the land has become defiled);
28 so that the land will not spew you out, should you defile it, as it has spewed out the nation which has been before you.

29 'For whoever does any of these abominations, those persons who do so shall be cut off from among their people.
30 'Thus you are to keep My charge, that you do not practice any of the abominable customs which have been practiced before you, so as not to defile yourselves with them; I am the LORD your God.'"

DF 274, "The Des Moines, Iowa, Temperance Experience." {3BIO 159.5}
"'Shall we vote for prohibition?' she asked. 'Yes, to a man,
everywhere,' she replied, 'and perhaps I shall shock some of you if I say, If necessary, vote on the Sabbath day for prohibition if you cannot at any other time."'--Ibid. {3BIO 160.1}

Writing of the experience--in an account Ellen White endorsed--Starr
declared: {3BIO 160.2}

I can testify that the effect of the relation of that dream was
electrical upon the whole conference. A convincing power
attended it, and I saw for the first time the unifying power of the
gift of prophecy in the church.--Ibid. {3BIO 160.3}

The action, passed after she gave counsel, read:
{3BIO160.4}
Resolved, That we express our deep interest in the
temperance movement now going forward in this State; and that we
instruct all our ministers to use their influence among our
churches and with the people at large to induce them to put forth
every consistent effort, by personal labor, and at the ballot box,
in favor of the prohibitory amendment of the Constitution, which the
friends of temperance are seeking to secure.--RH, July 5, 1881.
{3BIO 160.5}

So, if there is a vast variety of thought among members, the church should take no position?

FOR
www.adventists4prop8.com

AGAINST
http://adventistsagainstprop8.org/

Thoughts?

I just 100% do not understand the concept that gay marriage damages straight marriage, at all. Don't understand it. It's completely irrelevant. The straight couple down the road getting married (or for that matter, divorced) doesn't effect my marriage, and neither would the gay couple. If people just attended to their own gardens instead of other people's, we'd be a lot better off. Please explain to me clearly in small words how gay marriage is an attack on straight marriage.

Proposition 8 passed 52 percent to 48 percent.
Now the DA of San Francisco says he will file a lawsuit against the proposition to the state supreme court saying the proposition is unconstitutional. Seems he feels it was a revision and not an addition therefore needs to go through the state legislature which we all know would get NOWHERE as that body is pro gay.